Mark Driscoll on God's Divine Election

Mark Driscoll in "Ask Anything" Q & A series talks about Calvinism and God's Election of His children. Explains God's love, mercy, grace and salvation.

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[Birdieupon]

Driscoll's story about his daughter, unfortunately, only makes his Calvinism sound even more disgusting: he even says himself "God has chosen SOME OF US to be saved". This amounts to imagining that, say Driscoll had a larger family (6, maybe 10 children), and every one of his kids, at some point, chose to run into the road; Driscoll would be saying "I'll rescue that one... not that one... not my other son... maybe Suzie" etc. The idea of a predetermined "elect" is vile, I'm having none of it.

[romansch6]

@Birdieupon thats a great point, and this is a good topic of discussion, dont you think? i'm not a Calvinist but i see evidence of it in the Bible, and i see evidence of Arminianism in the Bible as well. i guess we shouldn't be telling God how He works and how He moves but we should be on the look-out to learn and have Him tell us how He works. with some kind of filter of course, the Bible, not our own opinion.

[thecircle12345]

@Birdieupon But the Bible says we are all vile, and deserve to die. Story of Noah is a great example. God KILLED everyone, because they all sucked. But God saved Noah, because he showed him grace.

[peacewalker7]

As a father, would you let some of your children get run over by cars, while saving others?

Moreover, how do you explain the verse "for it is God's will that none shall perish but all shall have eternal life?" If that is God's will, as the bible says,, and salvation, whatever that means, has nothing to do with our will, then either God saves all or else God is not omnipotent. Right?

[Wbeard92]

@Birdieupon The bible talks about both. You can't throw out the verses dealing with predestination, and election because you don't like it. Read all of the verses and then base your theology upon all of it. Not on the few verses you like.

[Isaiah1v18]

These Calvinists worship a god of their own making who Claim He created people & Purposed in His Mind & Heart to BURNING them FOREVER "Before they were BORN or had done ANYTHING either good or bad" or had "any knowledge of Good or Evil", from the FOUNDATION of the WORLD "for His GOOD PLEASURE" to "Glorify Himself".

There is no "choice", its ALL been DETERMINED AS God had SOVEREIGNLY DECREED & Fated for EVERY human being on Earth.

[izunderoath]

@Birdieupon Vile? How could you be so quick to dismiss a viewpoint that the Bible has hinted at immensely. You are essentially playing God by determining what's morally right and wrong for him to do. I believe an analogy that would work better is Driscoll sees 10 children running in front of a car and Mark saves his own kids. Remember that only people who believe in Christ are God's children. The analogy isn't perfect, but yours is definitely flawed.

[lowbattery34]

I've never felt at peace about anything in my Christian walk....until the doctrine of election was truly revealed to me. It's so beautiful. I sometimes tear up and cry because of how beautiful it is. Before the foundation of the world, I was Gods. Wow.

[Isaiah1v18]

In Calvinism, 2b 'converted' is 2b illuminated with the IDEA of being CHOSEN/ELECT while SINNING willingly, as they say, "has been DECREED by God from the foundation of the world."

To OBEY is Gods "Sovereign Hand of Grace", TO SIN is God removing His hand & DECREEING that they SIN for "His GOOD pleasure" to "Glorify Himself". Regardless whether they SIN or NOT, they FULFILL & Glorify Gods Will & inherit ETERNAL LIFE. Its the ultimate WIN-WIN fleshly idea for those who are still SLAVES of SIN.

[bvbranch]

@Birdieupon Mark would save all, because they are his children, not all humans are his children. Did not Jesus say to the religious leaders that "you are of your father ther Devil"? What you believe is human philosophy called Libertarian Freewill.

[jselvrom]

I don't know where you all are coming from but biblically God allows us to exercise our free will.God pursues us and in the end we are given the decision to turn towards His pursuit and safety and accept it.Not everything is God's will on Earth(hence sin:rape and murder, etc.) He will allow sin to happen,some things He will intervene towards but it is all dependent upon if intervention will allow us to hail him with all the glory of being powerful and a savior.We will understand when resurrected