Questions for Trinitarians

Please read the following book:

"Divine Truth or Human Tradition" by Patrick Navas from which I got many of these questions.I no longer agree with Patrick that Jesus preexisted his human birth.Patrick does a great job however at exposing how weak triniatrians' like James White's arguments really are.

For further pertinent questions please read this blog:
http://yahislove.blogspot.com/2009/04/questions-for-trinitarians.html

Also visit the following(from which I got some of these questions!):
http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/articles/questions.html

Explore the entire site.It contains some rather sobering things trinitarians should consider.

Also of interest to a trinitarian..the following blog:
http://yahislove.blogspot.com/2009/03/trinity-on-trialstolen-from-another.html

This is a MUST read :-)....thanks!

Btw,someone attempted to answer these questions when this video was posted before on my now cancelled other account.To view his responses,visit redmarkdrew's channel.It always excites me when I see someone who rarely if ever makes a video respond to one of mine.It means I've made them think.Even if they don't accept what I know to be true,at least they've thought about it!Some people are not exactly "thinkers".When I used to go door to door as a Jehovah's Witness,I don't think many of the people I encountered even knew what the trinity was.They believed it "just because".Oh,and John 1:1.There's a good question about John 1:1 in this vid.May as well add a bonus one just for kicks:

The Egyptian Sahidic Coptic translated John 1:1 "a god" like the New World Translation.It dates to the second century.These were the earliest Christians..Egyptian Christians were even present at Pentecost!So I guess my question would be ..why isn't that significant to trinitarians..why are translators MUCH later on more equipped than the ones who were so much closer to Christ's time,before all the "councils" and "decrees of men" tainted perception and philosophized God's simple truths?One of which was this:In Hebrew times,there was precedent for others besides the TRUE God to be called "God" in a representational capacity or as a "mighty one with authority."If you can't comprehend why,I can only recommend you study it.Otherwise,we have a REAL problem when Moses(for one) is called Pharaoh's God.

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[knightforChrist1]

written as a true Jehovah's Witness. You actually believe the church made up the doctrine of the "trinity"? Is this because the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the bible? How about we use the word, "Godhead"? That is in the bible. Can you give me the definition of that word? The historical event i which you describe only ratified the doctrine of the trinity, which is COMPLETELY BIBLICAL. Read your bible, not the Watchtower and you will find the real Truth. Jesus claimed to be God.

[howdytheresir]

@knightforChrist1 I'm a former JW,and I'm perfectly willing to discard any WT dogma that I think is in opposition to truth.However,your claims that Jesus claimed to be God are dubious.Jesus claimed that he was the Christ,the Son of God,the One whom God was working through,the servant OF God,that God was greater,that he couldn't do anything by himself and that God was with him.He never said anything like the trinity's claims anywhere!

[howdytheresir]

@knightforChrist1 Oh,and I can't chalk all that up to just a "nature" talkin'..that's too grand an inference for my comfort levels.Especially considering that fact that the "dual nature" dogma is gathered from the egregious misuse of just a few texts.Breaks my heart that Christians have been as deceived as the JW's.I'm not surprised though..it was prophesied.

[knightforChrist1]

@howdytheresir just as I thought. You don't actually READ the bible. Jesus said, "I and my Father are one". Now do the word study on the word "one". He meant what he said. He is God. Now....He is not the Father, the Father is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus,...yet all 3 are God, and there is but one God. That's the "mystery" that Paul so often comments on. Just read your bible and ask the Holy Spirit, who is a person, to reveal the Truth to you.

[howdytheresir]

@knightforChrist1 "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you."

the disciples being one doesn't mean they are the same "substance",and Christ prays for their "oneness" to be just as he and his father's is!That should tell you something,no?Christ in us means we AREN'T Christ just as Christ's God in him means he ISN'T God.There's only ONE God in Deut. 6:4.He's Christ's God.

[ForGodSoLoved777]

"You love righteousness and hate wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions." (Psalm 45:7)

If you look at it closely it says "GOD, Your GOD", God, Your God? Clearly, this verse is suggesting that God has a God. It then says, "has anointed You" Putting it together we get one powerful statement: "God, Your God, has anointed You"

From here we see that God has a God and God has anointed God.

Holy Trinity can come into place can't it?

[howdytheresir]

@ForGodSoLoved777 not unless the psalm it's quoting where Solomon is called God can join the substance of God for being called God and having a God.Trinitarianism demands inconsistency.

[Glenforbes60]

@howdytheresir Try reading the whol ch. of Jn 17:22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. 24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with Esp v22 Jesus claims he and the father are one

[Glenforbes60]

@howdytheresir but trinitarians do believe Jesus was a man in person PS 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;

[Glenforbes60]

@howdytheresir but trinitarians do believe Jesus was a man in person PS 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;

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[Glenforbes60]

@howdytheresir but trinitarians do believe Jesus was a man in person

[Glenforbes60]

@howdytheresir thats where you are misguided. Because of Christ's atoning death all sin in a christian's life has been taken away.

[Glenforbes60]

@howdytheresir Please explain what YOU your self mean by that

[Glenforbes60]

@howdytheresir

John 8:58 English Standard Version (ESV) 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” This is the statement the LORD made to Moses in the wilderness, and Jesus applies it to himself. Nowhere in scripture does anyone claim to be God in this context, excpt maybe the antichrist in Revelation