Does God Exist? William Lane Craig vs Austin Dacey 14/14
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The question of us having some sort of god given sense to rule right from wrong has never impressed me. It is explained by evolution. 200 000 years ago, we fought within our packs to find an alpha, and these fights usually ended in death, as in most other alpha-male packs. Where were our morals then? Also, the packs that murdered or killed fellow pack members without survivalistic reason went extinct, and we are the descendants of the succesful packs that did not.
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Please search for Dawkins hate mail on youtube, you will be enlightened.
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I watched this entire debate today. I'd like for all debates to go this way. Dacey/Craig were very very respectful to each other.
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wait a minute... the top comments are coherent and respectful! what the hell is going on here? this is youtube!
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@MrGluepower The point is, what you think is objective is not objective at all. It is objective only inside your culture. Change the culture (go to islam, hindu or budhism) you will see that moral values change. Not completely but you get idea. Moral standards from year 1000 would not be acceptable in 1920, and they would not be acceptable in year 30. Do we have "true" standard that can super-seed all these? You say yes, but don't know what they are, and give no proof they exist.
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@hexusziggurat I understand that you don't like idea. WLC says "without god there is no objective morality". For me "objective" means "objective" in today level of progress. Tomorrow that will change, for sure, our morality gets improved. Not fair? Not nice to think that way? WLC say "objective morality exist" but as illusory concept that cant tell us right from wrong. We still have to figure it out, once we do, then we know. WTF? If you don't know what it is, how do you know it exist?
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@MrGluepower I often find that people who truly believe root morality is subjective are really just not wanting absolutes or actuall TRUE morals. They really just want something that fits the mood which is the worst kind of morality to buy into. The Jesuits used this same method as long as justification for the end goal "could" be established. Harris' morality based on "well-being" is more of this whimsical concept of morality. Its really more of a self-based morality that changes with mood.
I like debating with atheists. But in a nice way. But so many atheists are rude. Why cant we just have discussions like the proffesionals do?
Jesuslives310 7 months ago 18
@Jesuslives310 Lots of Christians are rude as well and I'm saying this as a Christian. Lets not over-generalize the behaviors of a certain group of people. But I definitely agree with you in that it would be nice to to more choices of people to engage in rational discussions with!
vincentwu 6 months ago in playlist DOES GOD EXIST? William Lane Craig vs Austin Dacey 11