Galen Institute/Hudson Institute - Politicians, Public Options, and Patients

Politicians, Public Options, and Patients: What the Canadian Experience Teaches Us About Political Control of Health Care - Canadian health care expert Brian Lee Crowley discusses what the United States can learn from Canada's health reform mistakes at an event held by the Hudson Institute and the Galen Institute. Also speaking were Grace-Marie Turner, President of the Galen Institute, and Tevi Troy, Former Deputy Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

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[cyberoid]

@drbrianleecrowley Your comments regarding European healthcare systems are completely false based on my personal experience. They're mostly exemplary and in fact end up saving social capital because doctors and other providers are held accountable for quality service delivered promptly, as prompt care reduces prolonged and more expensive treatment. You have it completely wrong. As for the Hudson Institute, it's a shill for powrerful interests -- or didn't you know? Do your research next time.

[cyberoid]

Isn't the Hudson Institute supported by contributions by corporations (including health insurers) and wealthy individuals? Oh yeah, they really deserve our attention.

[megarational]

One final comment on wait times in Canada. If you need surgery right away you get it right away. U.H.C. was first introduced in Can. in the 50's, but the increased wait times for some specialists & some surgeries is a much more recent phenomena, showing that the prob. is independent of the financing system.

The fallacy in propaganda is that there are no solutions that don't involve losing the massive advantages & cost efficiency of the single payer system.

Solutions are underway.

[megarational]

2009 poll by Nanos Research:86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to..health care. 2009 Harris/Decima poll: 82% of Canadians preferred their healthcare system to the one in the United States, more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system.. Strategic Counsel survey in 2008: 91% of Canadians preferring their healthcare system to that of the U.S

[megarational]

Like I said.

Horseshit.

Once again, if you want to find out the facts, just phone any walk in clinic in any Canadian city (outside of Quebec) and ask what the wait time is.

There is no shortage of sources that exaggerate Canadian wait times (YouTube propaganda videos are full of them).

It's all a red herring anyway as far as the U.S. h.c. bills are concerned, because nothing in those bills would make the U.S. system like that of Canada's.

Do Canadians prefer their h.c. system? next comment...

[megarational]

So you are saying the Supreme Court protects Canadians right to choice.

Good.

So let's not hear any more b.s. about Canadians having no choice.

[drbrianleecrowley]

In my experience, those who lapse into obscenity are the ones who have lost the argument. In the video and my talk, which is posted, I offer lots of sources of reliable statistics from authoritative sources to back up my points. You respond with personal anecdote and invective. I think there's probably not much point in continuing this.

[drbrianleecrowley]

I am not sure how quoting a landmark Supreme Court of Canada case on this very issue constitutes "losing the argument" or "hyperbolic rhetoric". The fact is that your arguments were presented to the SCC and were rejected.

[megarational]

Horseshit.

eg: i live in a small Canadian city & have had to see a doc. several times over this past yr.

Even without an appointment I went to any walk-in clinic & very seldom had to wait more than an hour at most.

You or anyone else can check that out. Just get a phone directory for any Canadian city (outside the province of Quebec which has a poorer prov. h.c. system), phone any walk-in clinic (some are even open 24/7 365 days/yr, and ask what the wait time is.

[megarational]

You lost the argument so you just lapse into the predictable & hyperbolic tea-bagger type rhetoric.

As for "choice", in Canada you are free to see any doctor & go to any clinic or hospital you chose.

Compare that to the U.S where insurance co.s & HMO's tell you what doctor you can see, what procedures you are allowed, whether you can go to a hosp., what hosp you half to go to, how long you can stay, what lab must be used etc.