Sam Waterston & Gore Vidal on Lincoln
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@lombard34 :D
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Lincoln's public utterances concerning slaves are troubling. As a lawyer he represented slave-owners in support of the Fugitive Slave Act. Lincoln's steadfast dedication to keeping Illinois a "free" state meant that there would be no Negro slavery is Illinois because Negroes would not be allowed to settle in Illinois. Illinois would be a free state: a Negro-free state.
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@Strefanash The British Empire was not allowing America a vote in their destiny. Something called "taxation without representation." The south had the right to vote. Your lack of knowledge of simple facts is the real outrage. You are an example why mentally-challenged couples shouldn't have kids.
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@tripleheshy if you're pro-establishment pro-State maybe you'd think that.
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@Rico8458 What brain dead Communist hippie taught you that bullshit? Never heard of the trail of tears?? Of course not because Jackson was a Democrat like you. Ignorant asshole.
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@atrickpay11 What an asinine thing to say. Gore Vidal is a tumor on the soul of this country.
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@Strefanash To each his own: if you are an American citizen, the country you live in would be very different if Lincoln failed to preserve the Union or uphold the original constitution. South of the Mason-Dixon line would be a corrupt, despotic banana republic where enslavement was a fact of life. The British in fact had their own political and economic agenda in supporting secession; or the dissolution of the 13 original colonies that threw them off American soil 100 years earlier.
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@bookkeeper57 I stand corrected on this point. Lincoln did indeed announce only after a victory by northern forces, in order to appear strong. My sources, who i quoted in good faith, were in error.
as to thinking him a good or great man, that i do no longer. I stil regard him as the American Bismarck.
I regard him niot as an abolitionist but as a politician whose aims were suited by abolition. After all it broke British and French support for the South
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I don't like Gore Vidal: Lincoln did not "bring on a civil war he could have avoided".
Lincoln inherited a political situation that was brewing for nearly 50 years, and a conflict that was already underway.
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@atrickpay11 Wrong: he could have avoided the Civil War if he was Gore Vidal.
The Civil War was being fought out in Congress and there were incidents daily over runaway slaves. For exercising their right to free speech, well known abolitionists
were being shot.
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Vidal: "he could have avoided the Civil War."
Amen to that!
atrickpay11 2 years ago 13
By the way, the Cold War started after World War II, not during the time that Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. Maybe you should consider re-taking 3rd grade history, shithead.
lombard34 3 years ago 6