Part 2: Father Thomas Keating interviewed by the Garrison Institute, Oct. 2008

Father Thomas Keating is the animator of Centering Prayer and of Contemplative Outreach. A Trappist monk for 65 years, he is a retired abbot, author of a dozen
books and a major voice in inter-religious dialogue. In the 1970s, he was one of three Trappist monks who studied ancient Christian contemplative practices which were largely lost after the Reformation, and distilled them into a simple, accessible method known as Centering Prayer. He is interviewed by Jonathan F.P. Rose, Chairman of the Garrison Institute.

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[claudelebel55]

No problems at all.

The problem is on your end.

[deputydorg]

Salvation, Born Again - its the same principles as Enlightenment and Awakening to your sin nature and God.

Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within you.

Yet God is also everywhere.

[stjoseph01]

I don't understand what you are saying. What is truth?

[aaronkehl]

Tell me then, if heaven is not a spiritual place, what happens after you die, where do you go? There are many verses in the bible Jesus talked about that were very definite about the sheep and the goats. About him telling people he never knew them when they knock. because they didn't help others.  The 5 wise virgins and the 5 foolish. 5 wise put oil in their lamps and were prepared for the wedding. Look what meaning does your version of Christianity give you if there is no ultimate truth?

[aaronkehl]

You cannot equate Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam with Christianity. Their beliefs are all fundamentally different and discordant. They all describe reality as having a different reason. Islam - to submit to God. Possibly one life

Buddhism - to find nirvana, to find peace with all things, etc...

Christianity - salvation through Christ, likely one life to live, not reincarnated.

Hinduism - reincarnation and karma

The fundamental beliefs of each religion are not in accordance.

[aaronkehl]

Seriously have the mysticism conversation with someone else... its a waste of my time. Been there, done that, discarded it. It gave me no ultimate meaning, and its wishy washy. Anyones reality is as good as any others, theres no ultimate reality either. Sure reality is what you make of it. But your perception of how things are are not the same as how things actually are. There is an ultimate reality regardless of whether or not you or anyone else agrees with it.

[aaronkehl]

believe what you want to. I really don't care.  If all you want to believe in is spiritual mysticism and not factual reality thats not my problem. If its all just states of mind who gives a shit? It won't matter what you do in life then. You can do whatever you want and there will be no consequence after life. The most brutal unrepentant murderer, hitler, stalin, any twisted cult leader will not get punished for what they have done, and they have deliberately decieved people and enjoyed it.

[deputydorg]

I love the way jesus said the kingdom of heaven is like..... It was common I heard for rabbis to use two or three stories in attempt to put one single point across. ...."Give me a break. Lazarus was with God, the rich man was in the hellish place that cannot be reached by those with God in heaven."

What if even those two places are simply states of mind that can be repented of in seconds...?

[aaronkehl]

I apologize, its not pathetic, but it is ignorant as you are making a meaning of who I am on my words. Therefore you too depend on words for your truth of who you think I am. The truth is in Christ, not in oneself. Salvation is not in what you do, its in What Christ did and is for people. Thats all I'm going to say. I don't want to argue with you about beliefs because without words you cannot express your belief either. Stop pretending you're superior in what you follow.

[aaronkehl]

without words truth cannot be expressed therefore no one can know about Jesus Christ. You wouldn't be a Christian today without words. You judge what I think without knowing me. And to call me a fundy I think you are labelling where you should realize your own advice that truth is beyond words. The truth of who I am and what I think about Christ is beyond words. YOur labelling is pathetic.

[deputydorg]

been away 4 a bit. truth is beyond words.

feeble humans attempt to express the thruth with words. you fundies depend utterly on having the right words. missing the truth....

[aaronkehl]

Like his is.......quite far out.