Open challange for shia's shiites

This is open challange for all open minded shia's..
I asked some questions about the beliefs of shia's from there own authentic books..
& if any shia is not ignorent then answer all these question..
& remember don't run away like ur fore-fathers..
Try to gv to the point answer.. If don't know the answer then accept my answer.. lol..

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[muhammad7787]

same the case of Narrations from Tabiin i.e.

1. Utbah ibn Abi Hakim

2. Salamah ibn Kuhayl

3. Ismail ibn Abd ar-Rahman as-Suddi

4. Mujahid ibn Jabr

All are either liars or given double meanings of same narration on different books!!

So gv some authentic narration from authentic books like bukhari, muslim etc..

Don't try to gv fake references..

[muhammad7787]

As u can see non narration is authentic!!

Shia writers often quote material of this kind from Sunni sources, seeking to mislead their uninformed Sunni readership by the amount of sources they are able to produce. A general principle that must be kept in mind with regard to such attempts at deception is that any narration is only as good as its chain of narration. Any material quoted must therefore first be authenticated before it can be used to substantiate any argument.

[muhammad7787]

For example, Abu Hatim describes him as daif al-hadith, munkar al-hadith jiddan (weak in hadith, narrates extremely unique and uncorroborated material), and Ibn Main says about him laysa bi-shay (as a hadith transmitter he amounts to nothing). (Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 26 p. 37) Ibn Adi concurs with Abu Hatim that he narrates completely uncorroborated material. (al-Kamil vol. 6 p. 114)

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[muhammad7787]

The isnad in al-Mujam al-Kabir is not free from serious defects. The second narrator in the chain, namely Yahya ibn al-Hasan ibn Furat, is totally unknown (Majma az-Zawaid vol. 9 p. 134), while its fourth narrator, Muhammad ibn Ubaydillah, is regarded as unreliable by the vast majority of critics.

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[UniversalFortress]

All the commentators unanimously hold, as Qushaji admits in the Sharh al Tajrid on the subject of imamat, that this verse refers to Ali when he gave his ring to a beggar while bowing down in the course of his prayers. Nasa-i has also recorded this tradition in his Sahihah al Nasa-i, and so has the author of Al Jama Bayn al Sihah al Sittah (corroboration of the six authentic books)

[muhammad7787]

UniversalFortress,, where are u?

U did not replied me!!? Why?

U said earlier to me: ""let's discuss those topics(your questions one by one, step by step)

let's start on the ayah wilayat( Qur'an 5:55)

would you agree?""

& I discused from Quranic concept that 5:55 is not a proof of wilayat of Ali(ra).. So I disagreed & proved my words from Quran itself..

Now I ask u,, what u will say here? Show me other ayat of wilayah in Quran..

Now ask me other question dear..

[mohammadhasan47]

@muhammad7787 u are posting zaeef rivayats

[mohammadhasan47]

@muhammad7787 and referred to in this verse. It is reported that whenever the Holy Prophet or any of the holy Imams, or Bibi Fatimah faced any difficulty, they prayed salat and sought Allah's help and its take long descrption to understand this verse

[mohammadhasan47]

@muhammad7787 witness to the fact that in wisdom, spiritual achievements, and bodily strength there is no one who can be compared with him. He stands high and above in the select company of the most devoted servants of Allah. The lives of the Holy Prophet, Bibi Fatimah, his daughter and the Holy Imams is a brilliant light which throws light on the path to be followed by the sincere faithful who seek assistance (wasta-inu) to build up the balanced character mentioned above (continue)

[mohammadhasan47]

@muhammad7787 and ability to continue Salat has been explained in verse 3 of this surah. To liberate the human ego from the clutches of the excessive attachment to bodily wants and material success, a refined discipline has to be built through subordinating the body to the control of the spiritual energy, otherwise mere formal rituals and recitation of chants and charms do not help man to rise above the level of animal life, as has been shown by Ali ibna abi Talib The whole world bears(continue)

[mohammadhasan47]

@muhammad7787 2:153:O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient.

Commentry:Wasta-inu (seek help) applies to worldly as well as spiritual matters as stated in verse 5 of al Fatihah. Sabr (patience) and salat(prayer) curb vain desires, pride and self-indulgence and lead to humility, acceptance and obedience. The Arabic word sabr has many shades of implied suggestions - willingness to endure, submission,self-control, serenity poise(continue)

[zainali57]

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@muhammad7787 salaam what sect do you follow akhi

[wajidu]

I know Shias aqeeda is not based on facts but at least they are Muslims and believe on one Allah and his prophet Muhammad (PBUH). They are our brothers who are mis-guided by some opportunists, corrupt munafiqeen. May Allah guide us all and bless us all. JazakAllah

[wajidu]

Great questions brother Muhammad7787. I think there is no answer to your intelligent questions. May Allah guide us all to learn the true Islam. But one thing I suggest that you must not degrade Hazrat Ali (RA) and Imam Mehdi (RA) because both of them are hounarable personalities. Ali (RA) is one of the beloved sahaba of our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and it is fact proved by Hadits that Imam Mehdi will emerge and will lead the Muslims against the kafir army. So please keep it in mind.

[azee110]

whre u from?can i learn smethng frm?can i c u?