{Rachel Maddow} It's Pat - Part I

16 July 2009

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News & Politics

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[mad4maddow]

i think she was naive to have given him this platform and opportunity. he took it and RAN.

white men were 100% of the men who wrote the constitution, blah, blah blah. yeah, and white men owned 100% of the black people in this country. and 100% of women and blacks couldn't vote at the founding of this country. that's his rationale??

[Meggion]

He's been on the show before and while he's always spouting crazy, it never seemed this bad before.

If she'd seen his commentary on the other shows, though -- and I'm sure she did, she should have realized that there was no use trying to have a logical conversation about this with him.

While I understand I'm in no place to ask for it, I'd really like her to share her rationale for engaging him. It upset a lot of people, myself included and I don't see a whole lot of good coming from it.

[Mplay1983]

he was given this platform to scream his craziness because he represents a lot of other silly racist nuts and it's good that they see how dumb, unfair, and uneducated they look. I've just been laughing my butt off. he's hilarious and what's decent mind would take him seriously?

[3star2nr]

100% crap. NO ONE gets into princeton or any college because of their race its all about abilities, suma cum laude is awarded to people with high GPAs. Its very shamefull that pat bucana would trivialise this woman's outstanding academic achievements like that. As a student who has had to work hard in college I am deeply offended by that statement.

[Amen4the2nd]

Is that Pat from from the old SNL skit, is that a girl or a guy? Gross!

[sublimeade]

@mad4maddow white people have sacrificed everything for this country.

[ThamesOrIsis]

Buchanan, you are unqualified for anything. You've been pushed along all your life to where you are now; nothing you have accomplished so far can be attributed to your own intellect. W@nker.

[Alterofsacrafice]

Well hell yeah Pat he's proud of white just like tupac is proud of blacks, this interviewer is biased and thinks she has him beat.

[mad4maddow]

Bull. Buchanan doesn't change anyone's mind one way or the other, or strengthen anyone's resolve who is already voting 90% support. He's a kooky outlier everyone can point to to support their position, pro or con. The one thing about this bigot is he certainly is consistent.

Which is why he shouldn't be given anymore face time on TV. We KNOW what he's gonna say. Same old shit that doesn't need or deserve a media outlet.

[DamnAllSequels]

Pat's 'tangible' backlash is lmtd. But in my Afro-Amer Political Thought class I compared his tirade to Taney's Dred Scott ruling- "it is too clear for dispute that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration." Both Pat and Taney base minorities' legitimacy today on their presence at the nation's framing/ founding, to the dismay of my 70% Black class. Blacks vote Dem 90%, but Pat fortifies their resolve.

[mad4maddow]

Can you show me how Buchanan has suffered detrimental consequences in any way for expressing his racism and misogyny? A feature in a YT video doesn't quite add up to having his contract with MSNBC canceled, which hasn't happened. He didn't even apologize, and life goes on for him. Didn't skip a beat.

I don't think anyone who agrees/disagrees with Buchanan has changed their mind about being a Democrat or Republican due to this. The Democratic party is no panacea for what ails this country.

[DamnAllSequels]

Sure, Conservatives have thr media outlets, but it's healthy when channels don't seem 100% liberal or righty, as Jon Stewart has criticized MSNBC and FOX, by instead engaging the spectrum.

Since Pat wasn't even selling a book, his "face time" that you resent only served to his detriment, exposing old ideas that fail to resonate, and indeed offend, today(see Autotune "pat buchanan fail").

Pat's ethnocentric, archaic ideas are yet another reason to vote Democrat, esp. among young people.

[mad4maddow]

Again, no. To narrow Rachel's success down to "arguably" honing her skills on Pat remains absurd.

As far as letting lunatics have air time, there's an entire network called Fox News especially for them. Rush Limbaugh spews his racist and misogynistic filth to huge success on the radio. They don't need anymore space to be hateful. People know where to find these creeps if they want to.

Rachel can refute anything any of them have to say without giving them face time on prime time.

[DamnAllSequels]

I conceded that "She should have engaged his arguments more this time though." In the past, she's showed the errors of his logic really well. I say that her experience debating him may have contributed to her job b/c repeatedly fortified her arguments by bouncing them off of his thick skull over the yrs.

Pat is backwards, but by letting him air out notions from the '50's, she allows for every idea, even the bad/ crazy ones, to compete in the marketplace of ideas. That's essential for democracy.