Part II - Your Favorites: RAMON VINAY

THIS PART IS FOR YOUR FAVORITES!
Chilean singer Ramon Vinay among other favorites? Please comment!

Ramon Vinay, Baritone and Tenor (1911, other sources 1912-1996)

Giuseppe Verdi - Otello
Niun mi tema s'anco armato mi vede
(Recorded 1951)

My personal opinion: What have Elena Nicolai, Renata Tebaldi and italian mezzo Gianna Pederzini in common? They all said, Ramon Vinay was a great personality, a great character, but his voice "anyway was shadowed".
Ramon Vinay´s fame based on Otello. He began in 1931, after he was encouraged by his mother to learn to sing, as a baritone, singing in "La Favorita" in Mexico-City. When he appeared in 1943 at the New York City Opera as Don José, teacher René Maison had changed his voice into that of a tenor, but his timbré retained its baritonal color. One year later he initiated his major role, Otello again in Mexico-City - and some say, he was the best of all. Anyhow his Othello was choosen for his Metropolitan Opera debut in february 1946. About Vinays most famous recording, Otello with Toscanini, John Steane had reluctant words: "Genuine and powerful!", and that was all...
Yes, for me Vinay (who also sang Tristan, Parsifal, Siegmund, Tannhäuser, Alfredo and Turiddu and - remarkable enough - after returning to baritone roles in 1962, Telramund, Jago (!) and Scarpia) was impressive, with the right vocal physiognomy for Otello (Del Monaco impersonated the caricature of an imitation). With Toscanini, Vinay gave more dramatic, more vehemence. I like the 1951 Furtwängler-version with some refined inflections. And I forgive him for his short sobbing at the end of "Niun mi tema" - well, a dagger hurts!

With 10 votings you gave him place position 34 in this collection, and I agree with this moderate choice.

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[billyguns2]

Vinay was one of the great Otellos; I like this eevn better than his 1947 broadcast with Toscanini. Is this the performance with Furtwangler?

[100Singers]

Dear billygun2, you´ll find the answer to your question in the infobox on the right side!

[lyricarts]

amazing! this guy was a unique miracle

[tantris3]

Again with regards to Vinay and Del Monaco as Otello. Mario acted the part very well but Vinay bacame Otello on stage. They were both beautiful voices except Mario came from a lyric tenor whereas Ramon came from baritone which gave him his dark color and allowed him to return to an impressive baritone again. Marcovian is right the Wagner was equally impressive as his Italian repertoire. You can't say that about Melchoir or Del Monaco! Equally impressive were his baritone roles after his tenor!

[valdengo1]

..comparing singers is like comparing quarterbacks or pitchers, or billionaires...they each have something unique and specific to offer.......that cannot be equated with others.......

[Baritanist]

Vinay was a nasal, constricted baritone. 

[pieritlyon]

Gracias'por 100Singers share this treasure. RAMON VINAY THE BEST AND MAY THE GREAT AND GREAT OTELLO. Mario Del Monaco was proud that the BIG VINAY to say that he could be his successor in this opera, so it was, although not bequeathed to the height of the Great VINAY, the hands in this opera, it is possible that Great could Corelli become, well, VINAY GREAT successor, having played the complete works for the public (and recorded it remained in private)

[pieritlyon]

100Singers gracias´por compartir este tesoro. EL RAMÓN VINAY EL MEJOR Y QUIZÁS EL GRAN Y PERFECTO OTELLO. Mario Del Monaco estaba orgulloso de que el GRAN VINAY de dijera que él podria ser su sucesor en esta opera, así fué, pese a que no legó a la altura del GRAN VINAY, al manos en esta opera; es posible que el Gran Corelli pudo llegar a ser, también, sucesor del GRA VINAY, de haber interpretado la opera completa para el público,(la grabó y quedo en privado)

[minnie888444]

A splendid interpretation beautifully conducted, Furtwangler? A favorite, indeed.

Mike, I disagree with some points you made in your presentation. For myself, I don't care what others (critics and colleagues) had to say. I rely on my own ears. Magnificent sobbing at the end, very hard to do technically, I am sure of that. Who has seen both him and Del Monaco live to compare them like that? Anyway, thanks for posting.

[yahualico2007]

jamas hubiera creido que la vida me iba a permitir conocer visitar y cuidar a don ramon en los dos ultimos anos de su vida en la casa de descanso de esta mi guadalajara en donde ROSITA VINAY me permitio pasar muchas tardes cantando con el y finalmente se lo llevaron a PUEBLA en donde fallecio y luego sus restos fueron llevados a su natal chillan chile donde descansan pero su voz y su recuerdo es inborrable para ;mi BRAVO MAESTRO

[raigekimaru]

10 best tenors of all time 1) Ramon Vinay 2) Franco Corelli 3) Jussi Bjorling (he's not my cup of tea, but no one can deny he's good) 4) Nicolae Gedda 5) Luciano Pavarotti 6) Giuseppe Giacomini 7) Carlo Bergonzi (again, not my taste, but a great singer nonetheless) 8) Jon Vickers 9) Lauritz Melchor 10) James King

[deportivobech]

ok... dema tu la oferta ya que tu posees semejante tesoro

[Mr4d1993]

@deportivobech Hola, no había podido escribir, lo conseguí de ocasión en la compra de unos vinilos, hoy tengo 2 copías. (encontré una en un persa y no perdí la ocasión), si quieres podemos llegar a un acuerdo, chao Pablo.