Election and predestination what does it really mean.

My take on Gods elect and his chosen people and how he chose us in Christ Jesus for salvation.

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[greatnewsnetwork]

So God just looked down through time to see who would call on Him then elected them. It this how you see it?

[722marine]

@greatnewsnetwork No he did not look through the corridors of time LOL. God did the electing (choosing) of people for salvation, through the plan of salvation, which is whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Did he know in advance who would call on Him, of course he did. He is in the present and the future at the same time, he is eternal. But God didn't hand pick some for heaven and predestine others for hell.

[CBALLEN]

God inhabits all time,so to say that He knew who would choose Him so He chose them first,would mean scripture would have to say"I love you because you loved me first",however scripture says just the opposite.All we know is that the Lord chose who He chose for His good purpose.Could Lazarus reject the gift of life after he was dead and Jesus ressurected him?Could the man with the withered hand reject his gift or the blind man?All who want Jesus have been regenerated and given faith to believe.

[722marine]

@CBALLEN I didn't say that God chose people because he knew they would choose him. Even though he already knew. What I said was that God chose people, by his grace, for salvation that would their trust in Jesus. The method of salvation was selected before the world began with the intent that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. It was inclusive and exclusive at the same time.

[greatnewsnetwork]

@722marine How did He know who would chose Him? Ephesians 1 4-5 says "even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will"

He knew and predestined us before the world foundation of the world for adoption as sons. He knew and chose us for heaven and all others will get the justice for their sin.

(Ephesians 1:4-5 ESV)

[ishellreal]

Good video! Here is how I view Romans 8:29 in light of the rest of Scripture.

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew (would respond to His call), He also predestined (corporately as the body of believers) [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

[722marine]

@CBALLEN God never fails at anything. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God wants all men to be saved, but it's a failure on the part men when they reject the gift of salvation. God doesn't force anyone to love him.

[722marine]

@CBALLEN Sorry I'm just now replying but didn't get a notification that you made a comment. You asked why did you seek God? John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. God was drawing you near to him by his grace.

[DougCameraMan]

Jesus was quite clear about there being two groups of people, his people that he was saving....and... those who were children of the devil, as he stated in the gospel of John, chap. 8, verse 44. Obviously, if some among him were children of the devil then it makes sense that there are children of the devil today. John, chapter 6 is also a great chapter. Jesus says over and over again that he saves thsoe whom the Father has given to him.

[DougCameraMan]

It all boils down to who chose who. Arminians believe that we choose God. Calvinists believe that God chooses us. You can find scripture that may imply, or support, either doctrine, although I believe that there is far more that supports Calvinism. Most of the Arminian verses are generally attributed to the word "world" and they say that means that God loves everyone, but does he? Jesus himself, said that he was praying for his sheep, his people, but NOT for the world.

[CBALLEN]

Before I believed in the Doctrines of grace,I'd hear the preacher preach that no one is good,that we all are dead in trespasses and sin,that none seek after Him and I would think to myself,then why did I seek after Him?