Re: Rational Response Squad takes on Christians on ABC

Why the Universe Can't Be Infinite

This is a response to RationalResponse's video, "Rational Response Squad takes on Christians on ABC." Namely the portion of the video where Brian and Kelly ask why can't the universe be infinite if God can be infinite. This is a portion the Cosmological argument for God's existence, articulated by Dr. William Lane Craig.

You can find the whole clip at http://www.veritas.org/3.0_media/playlists/152
It is titled, "Does God Exist"

Dr. William Lane Craig's website is:
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/

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[regelemihai]

"Impossible", I think not. An eternal universe is indeed impossible as I said, mathematically and logically.

[EVSjahms]

@FatRakoon Oh, I see, you can't refute any of his points, so you just resort to calling him an "idiot" a few different ways.

[twistedH3L1X]

I did not have the patience to watch this foisted pablum.

[popifar]

Humans are a race with a finite understanding of all things. we need there to be boundaries on ideas for us to accept them. However just because this is the only way we can at this point in time understand our universe is not to say that there are truths which lack boundaries which is why we cannot understand or even comprehend those concepts and resort to pointless arguments about what we already think we know as if no other truths are out there to be found

[arshsingh1984]

This guy clearly has a poor grasp of what he is trying to tackle

[SchMETAL20lml]

His entire argument breaks down if you consider the possibility that the singularity is timeless. No creator, no mind, just a timeless singularity. The Big Bang happens, measurable time begins, therefore we are not yet at the point where everything has expanded to its infinite possibility. That is still in front of us.

Also, his argument seems to come down to "we can't name anything other than a creator that can do this, so a creator did it". Ugh.

[MrTruthAddict]

@EVSjahms He's an idiot because he's an intellectually dishonest snake oil salesman. He tries to use science to prove god which is ridiculous because science DISPROVES the god of the bible.

Despite the fact that idiotic Christians are fighting against evolution right now, in a few years they will be claiming evolution as proof of gods existence. Mark my words.

[Lowraith]

What an asshat.  The Big Bang model is only capable of describing the state of our universe back to a certain point. It in no way implies that there was nothing BEFORE that time, just that the model is unable to describe anything before it. What if the universe has continued to expand and collapse, over and over, forever before us and forever after us? A single example only, but enough to show that it is not theoretically impossible for an eternal universe, even according to Big Bang cosmology.

[bayanimills]

The question posed by RationalResponse was based on the Premise made by those being debated.

Their question wasn't an outright question in it's own right.

The use of Dr. Craig's deep, but flawed speech during a debate (in which the possibility of an infinite universe was not the topic) is not only an inappropriate use of his speech, but inaccurately frames the context the original question that was asked.

[rickuj]

I think your ego is currently suffering expansionary inflation at this moment.

You sir,need medication.

[MegaCaracolillo]

...and two universes?

...and a thousand million universes???

(je,je,je,,,)

[JohannMint]

9)Nice try - but when he tried to slip in a fast one, he lost me. He said that only two things can create: minds and abstract concepts (i.e. numbers). From this, he concluded that it must have been a mind that created the universe. But what about evolution? It is not a mind, it is not an abstract concept. And yet, it is the most creative force in the world. This is where his assume dualism of creativity falls apart: Craig's philosopy is so Charles Darwin, it's unbelievable.