Re: Are we ready for Libertarian Socialism? Part 1

libertarian socialism how does it work in practice

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[TasinAkiwo]

I tried listening to this entire thing but it became difficult after a while because you went off of a false premise, that is, that in a libertarian society the driving force behind the economy is the market. It isn't, therefore treating an anarchist workplace like a capitalist enterprise obviously wouldn't work.

I also find it ironic that you don't think libertarian socialism can work, but your name is part of a quote from a libertarian socialist insurgent.

[dieonyourfeetDEC16]

When I say libertarian I am referring to the meaning it has in the US. Meaning very small government, government not intervening economy, freemarkets, lassaize faire, very broadly speaking (I am not even sure if such a small government is possible to have and sustain, so I am bordering between a US style libertarian, market anarchist, I am not set in one belief). That being said, in a libertarian society, in the sense I mean it, if markets aren't the force driving the economy then what is?

[TasinAkiwo]

In a libertarian society, the needs and desires of the commune, expressed through assemblies from the local to the federal level, are the driving force behind the economy. That is, if a particular community decides that they need to undertake a particular project they will go about arranging the acquisition of those resources without a need for exchange or profit.

In "the sense you mean it" doesn't really matter, since its not a libertarian society, just a fundamentalist capitalist one.

[dieonyourfeetDEC16]

@TasinAkiwo - can you see how such a society is antitethical to individual freedom.

[dieonyourfeetDEC16]

Regarding my quote. I am originally from Mexico and I don't agree with many of the socialist ideologies that were brought by revolutioinaries. But I do respect a persons determination to fight for what they believe and have the courage to stand up to tyranny in whatever they see is the best way. The quote is a statement of dignity, courage, integrity which even though disagreeing with the specifics I definately agree with the spirit of the statement.

[dieonyourfeetDEC16]

Generally speaking I think it's easy to see that we all want the same thing. Freedom, prosperity, peace. The fundamental difference is that it seems like a lot of socialists see Business as the root of all evil(or so it seems). While Libertarians in the US see the root of all evil as big government, or any government at all. When I say evil I mean, evil that could be constrained or minimized with a different system. Do we need to restrain and control business people or government power?

[Chamelionroses]

Lets go back to the days where civilization began. The founders of a creating pyramids and having the plans and know how and the future builders that were trained in doing the same things; the workers no matter if slave or not building the pyramids; and the pharaoh who just sits around gaining wealth from the community with out putting any work in. The wealth is gained from production and growth of food at most.

The same old ideas put into the future of how wealth is created.

[ssmusic214]

Libertarian Socialism is Oxymoron! Contradiction of terms!

[GeoliphicMedia]

society never springs forth in a vacuum. you stand on the shoulders of greatness and depend on others for just about everything. what do you own that hasn't been given to you? everything you ever 'earn' is a gift

[bobshenix]

@dieonyourfeetDEC16

True socialism has little wealth creation because worker incentive will always be lower than in free market capitalism. Socialism is the philosophy of human ENVY.

Libertarian socialism is a convenient but unrealistic "idea" for people who want it all; personal liberty and small government AS WELL AS total equality. This utopia can never exist since socialism NEEDS a strong central government to be able to steal wealth from citizens for - in theory - equal redistribution.

[xmattycorex]

anarchism and libertarian socialism has been put to practiced very beautifully in the spanish revolution of 1936. Not to mention it was working amazingly during the russian revolution of 1918 until Lenin and the majority party saw the threat and decided to seize all power creating the all powerful state socialism we know of today. both revolutions unfortunately were cheated out by, but nonetheless we can learn to be more organized for another revolution which is inevitable.

[TheReasonParty]

You've got the two libertarians mixed up. Libertarian in the "Socialist Libertarian" sense isn't the American libertarian that doesn't like the government. At least thats what I've heard from Chomsky and others.

[TasinAkiwo]

@dieonyourfeetDEC16

No. You have access to resources as an individual, since the commons belong to everybody. But projects that involve several people are going to be decided by those people together.

I do see how a market society is antithetical to individual freedom though, since most of one's time is surrendered to the will of another in order to participate in resource acquisition. Free access to all the products of society allows for more freedom, you would agree?

[silverbackman]

Markets are fine, but exploiting others isn't. What is wrong with not allowing some bastard from overcharging a starving orphan for food to eat? In purely capitalist countries this is allowed, even by some so called market anarchists. I don't see what gives the right to one person claiming vast lands. It seems selfish and monarchical. If anarcho-capitalism/market anarchism doesn't prevent warlords, who are essentially rich people with all the economic power today, freedom will be lost.