Re: Baudrillard - Disneyland

in which I compare and contrast Disneyland with an Egyptian temple and spiderman with the jackel-headed gods of yore.

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• Baudrillard
• Simulacra
• Simulations
• post-modernism
• continental
• philosophy
• Disneyland
• America
• hyperreal
• nihilism

[Boredweare]

'Zorio' wrote some strange things. For J.B. 'symbolic exchange' is a term similar to 'seduction.' Zorio seems to use it to mean 'semiotic order' or 'commodity exchange'. It is hopeless to tackle the later J.B. without reading his most important work, 'Symbolic Exchange and Death'(1976) A good general intro is ISBN: 0415215153

[TheSunmanho]

There is no US-American culture.

Period.

[virtual7insanity]

100% agree!

[leathalinjection666]

Rylanddeath seems to have it dead on

i've just begun to study Jean's works, so maybe wut i have to say is incorrect, but perhaps we've been distorting reality fromt he begining

because we could never come to terms with what reality really is

anyway does anyone know of any books i should read to begin studying Jean Baudrillard? i'm about to read his book America

[iaeruo]

how about Fatal Strategies..? im reading that one and i dont get some of it. have you read it?

[RylandDeath]

I mean...

What does "Snow White" look like?

Is God an Italian guy with a beard?

[RylandDeath]

I like that you ask the question: is this any different from ancient Egypt?

Ultimately, we have can no tangible connection to the lived reality of an ancient Egyptian pyramid worker in a thick sense. We've got some tablets, some crusty old mummies, some big buildings out in a desert somewhere, etc. That's it.

But, when we imagine the "historical reality" of that Egyptian, the extent to which it looks like a Charlton Heston movie gives us some idea about how we consume signs.

[RylandDeath]

I think the easiest way to address your concern, Mr. Randy, is first to make the distinction between "active" production (myth), and "passive" consumption (Disneyland). In the former category, the subject has value: he or she produces the signs that mean stuff for him or her. In the latter, the object has value: he or she consumes an object (or the 'experience' or whatever) which supplies the meaning on its own.

[Deborah334]

"Hyperreality" is nothing but Gnostics redivivus.

[Kaaru]

Well, it looks like I have quite a bit of reading to do. After this semester is over, that is. :-) (Now, where'd I put those notes for my second assignments, which I've been neglecting for the past few days, again . . . ?) Thanks, Michael. I look forward to doing this with you again sometime.