Ken Wilber - Integral Life Practice P2/2

http://www.peakzen.com/

Ken Wilber Talking about Integral Life Practice.
About Ken Wilber:
http://integrallife.com/contributors/ken-wilber

More @ http://integrallife.com/

Here is the starter kit:
http://integrallife.com/integral-life-practice/integral-life-practice-starter...

And the new book:
http://www.integral-life-practice.com/

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Ken
• Wilber
• Integral
• Theory
• Consciousness
• Development
• Growth
• Stages
• States
• Turiya
• Tita
• Enlightenment
• Awakening
• Awareness
• 2012
• Change
• Leading
• Edge
• Trans
• Rational
• Philosophy
• Unique
• Self
• Soul
• Life
• God
• Kosmos
• Prayer

[greenrate]

"Meditation, by itself, really won't take care of shadow elements . . ."

Not necessarily true. Certain types of body-sensing sitting practices address "shadow elements" very effectively as they arise in the body -- which they inevitably do.

What IS true . . . is that those practices are pretty slow-developing ("inevitably" can be a long time) and not everyone is temperamentally suited for them.

Good psychotherapy is admittedly quicker (if you're temperamentally suited to it . . .).

[plague613]

Meditation is not slow developing, in fact, it is the only things that has showed to cause development on a consistent basis, unlike psychotherapy and many other approaches.

For shadow practices specifically, the 3-2-1 Process and Self-Inquiry are recommended.

[greenrate]

@plague613

Are we misunderstanding one another?

I'm suggesting . . . that body-sensing meditation practices act INDIRECTLY against shadow and so take a longer time.

Ideally, psychotherapy leads to the original experience whose ongoing denial is the source of the shadow's energy -- and so DIRECTLY reduces that energy.

Body-sensing meditation, on the other hand, leads to experience of the shadow's energetic manifestations in the physical body -- and so INDIRECTLY reduces that energy.

[plague613]

Right, but research didn't show psychotherapy to directly do that either.

That's why there are things like the 3-21 Process and scientology (kidding).

[greenrate]

@plague613

Actually, I found a lot of the Dianetics "spiritual technology" pretty worthwhile looking into in it's own right.

It's just advisable (generally speaking) to do so . . . independently of the Scientology religious framework. 

[plague613]

@greenrate Interesting, Thanks!

[kvn89]

drugs hellllpp erasee the built up shadoww, makes things easier tobe aware of because most of the past is forghotten thanks to the mystical experience