Stephen Hawking - The Grand Design

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[GateMessenger]

If there is consciousness there is a God. Without God there is no consciousness. Vogelsang in 82 found a consciousness connecting at the point when energy becomes matter. A consciousness with a personality. I don't care what you call it, if it is conscious and can think it is alive with awareness. All things in the universe are set in this framework. This is how life can form anywhere and everywhere possible. Without God there is no consciousness.

[TheLaughingOut]

@GateMessenger You say this in different forms, but you comment can be summed up in the last sentence, "Without God there is no consciousness."

Can you offer any evidence that this is true? Or do you just like the way it sounds?

[GateMessenger]

@TheLaughingOut Yes, I already did. Roger G. Vogelsang created a device which worked using randomness. He used a random emitting Americium-241 particle coupled with a random character generating program which showed the wave to have a consciousness, i.e., was aware and knew potentials ahead of our slow mass time. This was before the term universal consciousness was coined. Think about this, if a tiny inanimate piece of radioactive material is conscious then what does this say about the universe?

[TheLaughingOut]

@GateMessenger LOL you're hilarious.

Let's just say I grant you all that stuff (which I don't, but for the sake of argument) let's say that some tiny piece of radioactive... something... was found to be conscious. What does that say about the universe? It says that the universe contains a tiny conscious radioactive piece of something. I mean, what other conclusions can you draw from that without adding new stuff on to it?

[GateMessenger]

@TheLaughingOut Well, this is true, Vogelsang was not the only one to claim to have witnessed this device in action, so I have no reason not to believe it. Would you believe 2 people who both said they witnessed a crime? Only one witness is needed to convict a person in a court of law. And if this were true it would mean, well lets see, what in the universe emits waves from radioactivity? Almost everything, all the Jovian planets, the sun, stars, black holes, the core of Earth & more!

[TheLaughingOut]

@GateMessenger You believe everything you're told? Oh but you'll believe it if two people say it. If that were true you'd follow all the religions in the world. Show me the scientific evidence or stop wasting your time.

[raisinsunn]

just leave it alone, we don't know basta!

[luvdomus]

@GateMessenger Crackpot.

[MurgitaMiura]

What a dismaying exhibition of ignorance and carelessness; and from BBC. The big bang depicted as a firework, as if it was a real bang; the bishop saying "you can't prove God doesn't exist" as if it were up to us and not to him to prove it; and the final cherry: "it's still just a theory, so not supported by any evidence". That's an HYPOTHESIS. In science, a theory is a consistent set of hypotheses corroborated by repeated observations. So stop saying "just a theory"!

[wbarquez]

Dr. Stephen Hawking has decided then to change jobs. He has decided to become a philosopher also. But he should realize that you cannot be a philosopher overnight.

[wbarquez]

The universe created itself? That is a moronic oxymoron! Because it would mean that the universe would have to exist to be its own creator and at the same time to not exist to be created by itself. But how can something exist and not exist at the same time? To be or not to be, that is the question!

[GateMessenger]

I know I cannot prove there is a God. But there is more evidence which supports the existence of a God than there is evidence that it is not God. Even if we say nature built it in that way, it is only a representation of a fact. All in all evidence is in the eyes of the beholder. We are all free to pick and choose what we wish to believe. I will always admit, I have always believed in God and I see this as evidence which supports my belief. You are free to choose otherwise.

[GateMessenger]

Sorry, I should of said influencing not in, which would read as "There needs be a consciousness influencing all things which need no programming"

[GateMessenger]

..... artificial intelligence is not in the programming it is in the hardware. Just like the instructions inside each cell to reproduce another cell exactly like itself. There needs to be a consciousness in all things which needs no programming. I would say this qualifies as intelligent design or I should say intelligence within the design. There is much evidence which supports the existence of a God or creator, intelligent design, whatever you wish to call it, a universal consciousness, it is!