Lawrence Krauss on Science Debate

Director, Center for Education and Research in Cosmology and Astrophysics and Ambrose Swasey Professor of Physics and Astronomy, Case Western Reserve University

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[bloodcell9]

If americans truly believe in religious anti-science bullshit, then it's in real fucking trouble in the years ahead as a leading nation. For it is Science and Eduction that determins Technology and commence, feeding the nation's strength. If by hand such a nation then rejects the knowledge of science commiting the crime of censering only those aspects of science that does not conflict with their personnal faith, then Religious Americans cannot complain as other nations overtake their postion.

[zeldarooles]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. I think and hope you are.

[glagos93]

@Texmurphy51 What evidence is there for a non-omniscient God?

[Texmurphy51]

@glagos93 Your WRONG he didnt say it came from NOTHING.

By NOTHING he means empty space which is full of Quantum Fluctuations,(something)

The problem is that space like our, did not exist Pre Big Bang,

There is NO mathmatical evidence of what happend Pre BB. So say most Cosmologists.

Ironically,YOU are the one he speaks of who thinks they know all the answers.

Most,(him included) Believe our universe allows life because it is one of an infinite number.

His ideas disprove omnicient gods only

[glagos93]

@Texmurphy51 For religious apologists, what seems like evidence are actually a bunch of logical fallacies... just look at Thomas Aquinas' proofs.

The beginning of the universe is unknown, but there is mathematical evidence based on working physical models that point towards a universe that was created from nothing (watch "A universe from nothing" - Lawrence Krauss)... atheists don't have to sit down and see how we're fed an "absolute truth" that's actually a lie

[glagos93]

@Texmurphy51 What other sort of God is there? What is the evidence for the existence of God? Scientific evidence is objective, the so called "evidence" for the existence of God is subjective and does not qualify as scientific evidence.

The teapot is indeed a fallacy, but it perfectly illustrates the absurdity of belief in God. There is no reason, other than our ancestor's culture and fear, to believe in a God. Why is it God, why isn't it the flying spaghetti monster?

[Texmurphy51]

@glagos93 "There is zero evidence for the existence of God"

In the traditional sense of an omnicient, all powerful god. However to say no evidence exists is an opinion of Atheists not a Scientific Fact as you try to imply.

The Teapot is a strawman argument because it is a KNOWN myth/fallacy. Since how the Universe was created is unknown you cannot simply use the Atheist Trick of Bigfoot or Teapot as a comparison.

I could make the same argument with ET life, Zero proof, like a teapot...

[glagos93]

@Texmurphy51 You have proven nothing. Non-belief is based upon the unscientific nature of religion. There is zero evidence for the existence of God. Having said that, I will paraphrase Dawkins' "The God Delusion"... If someone says that a teapot is orbiting the sun, and it's so tiny that not even our best telescopes can see it... Does it mean that I have to be agnostic with regards to the teapot? Would it be religious ideology if I believed in the inexistence of the teapot?

[DrErkencho]

@bloodcell9

Couldn't have said it bettter myself.

But hey, not all americans are the way they are portrayed by some of the leading media. I belive we've got some of the best science men out there and we also have the strenght to be able to provide the testing fields and continue to do so. I think is a matter of educating the people and working politics to fight the current status quo, but politics for many reasons love the herd, they all want to be sheppers, not necesarely a true leader. ];)

[Texmurphy51]

@Totem91 Since how the Universe came to be is unknown to Science, to say it was NOT created by some being is as much of an "unfalsifiable claim" as to say there IS a Creator.

Not knowing how it happened, yet just saying, "God Didnt Do It" is not a get-out-of-jail-free-card.

Your trying,(via repetition) to make true your statment that Creation is Impossible,(yet you have no proof of HOW it happened) You simply say you know how it Did Not happened, again with no proof.

Atheism is Religion

[Totem91]

@Texmurphy51 At some point in your life, you have to understand that clinging on an unfalsifiable claim does not give you a get-out-of-jail-free card. Again, you're trying (via repetition) to make truth of your lunatic claim, that believing in something crazy and irrational is the same thing with the absence of that crazy, irrational belief. Weak sir. You're entitled to your own beliefs, but not your own facts. Maybe I am an idiot, but surely I'm insane (for even imagining I'd reason with you).