Gun Control Laws

From the West Wing episode "Bartlet's Third State of the Union", all material is property of Warner Brothers/NBC.

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[ElwoodDowdJr]

It's a TV show...

[PT109Boat]

The Death Rate IN HOMICIDES per 100 000 population (in 2005) according to the UN Office on Drugs and Crime:

GB - 0.07; France - 0.44; Germany - 0.22; Japan - 0.02; Switzerland - 0.58; Denmark - 0.23; Australia - 0.44

US - 7.35

However you phrase it, Toby's point was correct. The US has a greater deaths (homicides) rate than all of these countries and, yes, they have tougher gun control laws.

[puffin51]

Toby mentions Australia. Until the Port Arthur massacre, our gun laws were neither uniform nor particularly restrictive, and our gun crime rate was low. When the tough new laws came in, in 1996, gun crimes declined by 10% over two years, and total deaths by 47%, the main fall being due to fewer gun suicides.

That's good enough for me.

[FineHawaiianArt]

First of all we the people won the war for independence not any country, the people are supreme not the state. Secondly we created the government to protect our rights not to limit them, any limitations must be individually consensual when imposed upon the people, Limitations upon government are many. The terms "regulated" meant back then "to make regular" as an appeal to keep guns and their owners in good condition and marksmanship. Militia was anyone able to use a weapon to fight in defense!

[SuperOwen1982]

All this you say about gun crime in the US... and yet you do nothing to contain the laws and prevent some idiots from getting hold of them... Love the west wing, love Toby and the gun culture in the US and its problems were highlighted brilliantly in this episode.

[WakingMajority]

@Zajuts149 Actually. You can't own a gun if you are a convicted felon. You also can't own a gun if you can't pass a backround check. Or if you have a mental illness. Gun control is too unrealistic in this country. If you tried to make guns illegal it would lead to a bloodbath. Too many people are unwilling to give them up without a fight. Its embedded in our culture.

[WakingMajority]

@PT109Boat I have heard Ron Paul say on several occasions that he wants to get money out of politics in general. So I am sure this covers corporate money. He has also never collected on his congressional pension. He is one of the only principled people in politics.

My last point for no gun control is also for the simple fact that one day we my have to overthrow our government and pick a better one from random names from a phonebook. This will be hard to do if only cops and feds have guns.

[PT109Boat]

@WakingMajority I was not aware that you are a Ron Paul supported. I don't agree with 50% of what Ron Paul says, but I completely agree on his stances on war, the war on drugs and, most importantly (and you can correct me on this) he wants Corporate money out of the electoral process (I think I heard him say that once. Am I correct?) .

Although I don't agree with several of his social policies, I would DEFINETIVELY support a candidate who wants to keep Corporate money out of elections.

[WakingMajority]

Toby is naive in his thinking that Americans are not more blood thirsty then others. Hell yes we are. We have an insatiable appetite for conflict. The fact that people aren't voting for Ron Paul proves this. Its either Ron Paul and Peace or Anyone else and War. This country and its government love conflict.... why should its citizens be any more moral? Damn right we are more homicidal by nature.

[WakingMajority]

@PT109Boat You need the police or CIA to tell you that guns can kill people? Please.

Toby conveniently left Switzerland out of his equation. Even though Switzerland is the most armed country in the area and has exceptionally low gun crime rates and crime in general. Guns don't pull their own triggers. Blaming the tool instead of the psycho wielding it is something i'll never understand from you pro-gun control people. So if I killed 100 people with a bow and arrow, you going to want them banned?

[PT109Boat]

@WakingMajority Once again, Toby's POINT was that the countries listed, who have very strict gun control laws, have a fraction of the gun deaths COMBINED that the US. HOWEVER YOU PHRASE IT (homicides, shootings in self defence and even suicides), all counts of gun deaths in those countries are fractions of those in the US.

The numbers I gave are homicides (as per the report "a violent CRIME") confirm that. If you think the UN is "liberal" try the data by the CIA, or the police.

[WakingMajority]

@PT109Boat If you do any research at all. You'd clearly see that he did factor in suicides and counted them as homicides. And a homicide just means that a person was killed by another person. How many of these "victims" were burglars? Rapists?

How many of them were killed committing a crime? Toby doesn't factor any of that into his rigged liberal statistics. How about we ban rocks and sticks next? Get real.

I bet you stabbings are higher in all those countries you named. Lets ban knives next.

[sage777jake]

if you love Europe so much why don't you move there. then everyone is happy