J. Krishnamurti : Ending Disorder - Part 6 (of 6 ), dialogue with Eugene Schallert, 1972.

San Diego, California, 17th Feb. 1972. (This was the 2nd dialogue with Eugene Schallert). In 6 parts.

Ending Disorder the Ending of Death

Inwardly we're all in a state of confusion that's the common ground of all humanity.

Is there an answer when there is real perception?

Now I have come upon something which is real, I have watched "what is" and moved from there. It is a living thing.

To live you must die (psychologically), dying every day to all that you have gathered so that the mind is fresh every day. It is new.

I must first understand what it means to live, not what it means to die.

Death is perfect order because it is the ending of disorder and the ending of disorder is to be aware of what is disorder, choicelessly.

Then you can find out in that state - what is the immeasurable.

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[gautamravi10]

Buddha's words and JK's words are same and i'm thankful to JK that he never said this fact.Even Buddha said "Atta Depo Bhav" i.e Be the light to yourself..Had JK acknowledged that Buddha said same thing the Buddhist world would have labelled him as Buddhist and whole purpose would have lost.JK shows true meaning of Buddha and all Buddhas including himself (if he was).

[Johnnybeak]

at :52 sec ...krishnamurti picks his nose...hahaha ... truly no fear

[cadranaline]

Thanks for posting!

[JusticeNature]

@FreeSoulz444  could you explain in in a clear paragraph ?

[FreeSoulz444]

the priest doesn't get it fully

[shickboy]

@aloozer i wish you well.

[shickboy]

@aloozer what i said was that if nirvana is a goal to be achieved then it is a direction, lead by thought, away from actual reality. anything that is thought derived is a distraction from reality. the thing is, we are too conditioned by teaching to see that. nirvana may well be reality, i don't know, but if it is a goal to which a journey full of teachings must be embarked in order to reach that goal, then surely it is a step away from nirvana itself...IF nirvana is reality...

[shickboy]

@aloozer if you believe that, or anything else for that matter, then you are simply not observing. i wish you well on your journey...

[shickboy]

@aloozer that's what buddhism says. but why depend on progress to realise what we are? which is nothing more than the contents of the mind. why can't we understand that straight away? progress implies a goal, a fixed point that can be reached by means of a path, but reality is right in front of us all the time. the only thing that stops the mind from seeing that fact is information, or conditioning. if it is possible to see that, then no progress is necessary. it is understood, right?

[shickboy]

@aloozer so what is buddhism, then? the experienced and the experiencer. if buddhism is in the mind, then buddhism is the observer and the observed will be observed according to buddhism. the mind isn't free from that particular observer...the image, the content of the mind is the observer, and as long as that isn't seen as a reality then everything will be observed through the observer. understand that, and we're free of the observer, in JK's terms.