Greg Koukl - The Five Points of Calvinism Are One (1 of 2)
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Wonderful. Saw Mr. Koukl speak, and he was very clear about the sovereignty of God. Election and the limited atonement is very clear biblically, but he also makes the logical connection between remission of sins and what we are or are not actually held to pay for. Those who are in Christ are no longer going to have to pay for their sins by suffering for eternity in hell.
bygracethrufaith119 3 weeks ago
@Trustandobey1 Your capitalized word "elect" is more commonly translated as "chosen" on both accounts, as the 1 Peter reference is a quotation of Isaiah. But seeing as you're quoting so strongly from the KJV, I understand why you might not be aware of more accurate translation, but that's another conversation. Nice try, though.
metanoeo1 7 months ago
@metanoeo1 I figure Jesus Christ is the elect because the bible says so. Isiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold;mine ELECT, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles. 1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief conerstone, ELECT, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Trustandobey1 7 months ago
@Trustandobey1 How in the world do you figure that the elect of God is Christ Jesus? Talk about eisegesis. Jesus Christ is God, how then could He be "God's elect" as you state? Doesn't make the least bit of sense. I get your angle and where you come from on this, but seriously, no way is that what the word of God teaches.
metanoeo1 7 months ago
@metanoeo1 Gods elect is Jesus Christ. Now try reading some of those verses you suggested that I should look at. Only this time, read them with the thought of Jesus Christ being the elect. I hope this will help you understand Gods word more clear. Salvation is for anyone who will receive Jesus Christ. Romans 5:18 says so. Here is a rule of thumb. Never try to over ride an easly understood vs. with a hard to understand vs.
Trustandobey1 7 months ago
@Jpiaathio Here are a few examples of election in Scripture: Isaac - Gen. 21:12; Abraham - Neh. 9:7; Zerubbabel - Hag. 2:23; The Apostles - John 13:18 & 15:19; Jacob - Rom. 9:12-13; Rufus - Rom. 16:13; Paul - Gal. 1:15.
These are just a few examples of God choosing some to Himself, while not choosing others.
metanoeo1 7 months ago
@Jpiaathio Just a few verses you might want to check out regarding God's election of believers: 1 Thess. 1:4; Titus 1:1; John 13:18; John 15:16; Eph. 1:4; John 6:44; Acts 22:14; 2 John 13; Rom. 9:11; Eph. 1:11; Rom. 8:29; 1 Pet. 1:2; Rom. 9:15-16; 1 Cor. 1:27; Rom. 11:5; Luke 10:20; Eph. 1:6; 2 Thess. 2:13; Eph. 1:5; Eph. 2:10; 2 Tim. 2:4; Rom. 9:23; Rom. 8:30; John 17:6; Acts 13:48; Rom. 11:7; Mark 13:20; Luke 18:7; Ps. 33:12; Ps. 65:4; Is. 65:9; 1 Pet. 1:4-5; Col. 3:12; 2 Pet. 1:10.
metanoeo1 7 months ago
yes but it's not limited in the since that Calvinist make it out to be as in that it is not OFFERED to ALL
evewale 1 year ago
@SeraphsWitness About ROMANS 9 Look at PROVERBS 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. And ISAIAH 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts:and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Gods hand of mercy is on all of us right now and he gives grace to whoever asks for it through Jesus Christ John 3:16
Jpiaathio 1 year ago
@SeraphsWitness Yes I do believe in the Trinity. Read GENISES 1:2, 1:26, JOHN 10:30 1 JOHN 5:7, just a few verse that prove the trinity, without using the word "trinity". I still dont buy into this unconditional election after reading ROMANS 9. ROMANS 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the first-born among many brethren. The bible teaches that God FOREKNEW ALL.
Jpiaathio 1 year ago