No on hate -- no on Prop 8

Why you should vote NO on California's Prop 8 this November: don't put yourself on the wrong side of history.

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[cheshireisaacs]

My point is, even religious views shift over time. At one time mixed-race marriage was viewed as sacrilegious as same-sex marriage. There was no, "Well, at least it's a man and a woman" -- it was just an abomination before God. But now everyone's cool about it.

I'm not equating the two -- I'm simply showing that religious and moral views change for the better, the more the human race evolves.

[glbrickman]

Here's the deal. Civil rights should not be confused with a sexual preference. And, marriage is a sacred union between man and woman, and should never be allowed for those that choose a sexual preference outside the God-given teachings, as given by example.

[cheshireisaacs]

No, here's the deal: you don't know for a fact how God feels about gay marriage. There are many, many clergy who argue the opposite of you. For that reason alone, civil marriage should be left alone by religious institutions. Your church can deny performing a same-sex marriage -- that's the 1st amendment at work. But stop trying to impose your own religious view on a civil institution.

[glbrickman]

You've got it all backwords. You are trying to impose your own preferences on everyone else.... any clergy that is gay is not of God. I know the teachings of God, and being gay is not an option. Let other clergy 'argue' with me... they only preach what 'people' want to hear.. not what Jesus has taught. It's sad to see people make excuses for their personal preferences (like sex) and then expect the world to view it as 'normal' or a 'civil right'. We have an obligation to keep Gods command

[cheshireisaacs]

Let me ask you two questions, and answer honestly:

1. How did your parents feel about mixed-race marriage 40 years ago? Was that too an abomination before God?

2. How do you feel about mixed-race marriage today?

[BRSCAL]

You don't need an ultra religious view. You can strongly argue that marriage is a dying institution, so what's the harm? And you've got a point. Problem is, you're not offering or promising peace & freedom or social order, you're just demanding your trophy as society continues to step down into social chaos.

[cheshireisaacs]

No, I'm not promising anything. Marriage may be a dying institution; I neither know whether it is in fact dying, nor do I care. All I know is this: I'm happy to be married to my wife, and I want everyone to have the same opportunity I've had. And I haven't yet heard where the danger is in that.

[mediamorons]

okay...religion has no place in this issue - sure. so what?

you're saying you wanted a litmus test on the ballot for prop 8 that asked "before you answer yes or no: is your decision based on whats best for society for cultural, child rearing and opposing judicial activism/supporting democracy purposes? or is it because of religious morality?" and disqualify any votes that answered the latter?... such a test would be unconstitutional under freedom of religion.

[videoLies]

I wouldn't have to "feel" anything about my constitutional rights in such a scenario because it would in fact be an unconstitutional invasion of rights to regulate by law my private actions.

Instead of going on such a tangent though, could we get back to the issue I raised? your side question had nothing to do with the public institution of marriage for which the government issues marriage licenses that are gender specific just as public bathrooms are. focus please.

[Defacement4]

what the fuck is that noise

[leeny11]

prove it

[LOVEEET]

homosexuality is a choice .period

[leeny11]

you must be pretty ignorant to think being gay is a choice

[LOVEEET]

Being black isn't a choice.....acting out towards homoesexuality is a choice. A lifestyle choice. It makes me sick that people involving themselves in homosexual behavior would try to use the whole race thing. Racism should never have been around GOD loves all colors....but he does not like teh act of homoesexuality . Big difference

[richie0801]

If you were objective in your thinking, you would recognize that there are viable arguments contrary to your assertions. Ignoring them or denying that there are any does not strengthen your side but rather makes you less credible. That's basic argumentation.

[richie0801]

Furthermore, I have told you the truth, how about you show me or tell me scientific, psychological, statistical/sociological proofs that show otherwise.

[richie0801]

I can back it up. I implore you to look it up. this isn't the place for me to post a ton of citations proving my point, especially considering that I can only have 400 characters a post. I have told you the truth, you can look it up if you are interested.

[idaman12345]

right ok, dont make accusations you cant back up

[richie0801]

bottom line is though is that even if i were to give you all the citations for my claims, you wouldn't look at them so all i can do is suggest you study it on your own and be objective about it. You would be surprised.