Obama /U.S. Health Plan?

Any real solution has to begin with the destruction of the for profit corporate "health care" that the US currently has.

This seems all very strange to me --the fact that this is even an argument people are having. Call me an idealist, call me a communist, call me whatever you think justifies or excuses your position, but as far as I am concerned, until every single human being on earth has free health care, we cannot call ourselves a civilised species. Period.

I hate to stick a spanner stright into the heart of a political hornits nest but I personally don't see the problem, for those who can afford it there will always be private health care. Is this a tax increase issue? Or do people just like to watch others suffer to feel better about themselves? Health - the ultimate status symbol.

Corporations need the state to maintain the superior edge upon the individual. They do not and never have operated successfully in a truly free market. Just read the 14th amendment and you begin to see their meddling hands.
Free market is the only way to superior product at least cost, it reduces a protected profit margin along with the corruption. That alone is incompatible with gov.
Canada cited as an example of how health care can be managed is due to lack of their transparency.

Please help me out here. Where in the fourteenth amendment do you see the hands of corporations?

And it'd probably be a good idea to also define exactly what you mean by a corporation? Technically, even an individual can be a corporation; or do you mean companies that issue stock, or partnerships, or ... ?

14th Amendment Section 1. has given protection for corporations as a "natural person".

It's starting to disgust me how the laissez-faire people, most often suggest COMPLETE annihilation of anything like government provided health-care (etc). (Just politics, I would hope.....)

Even if prices can be brought down extremely low, and charity then really could become enough for what's left to cover... There's reason to have a couple of bucks the government could shove in, if you got more than corrupt incompetent people in charge. 'Cause someone always get's screwed.

Not that prices could be brought down overnight either...

Now there I have no exact idea on the subject as what to do during the transition from current US ''tyranny/death'' to ''Ayn Rand''.

I only know that whatever you call the current US health-care system is far worse than some universal health-care. Or so I think. But that there's always much higher goals to aim for.

I guess it's easy to say that as long as it's not good enough, it's always the same crap.

It is one of the many ways that not-rich people have been convinced that the interests of the rich (not waiting) are their interests. If you can't get to see a doctor unless you're about to die, you shouldn't care about waiting because it's not a relevant concern for you.

Everyone is, on a certain level, reading this the right way. Everyone getting a certain minimum level of care will almost certainly mean that some people will get less. The problem is people identifying w/ the wrong group.

Kucinich voted against the reform based on the notion it "goes not far enough" as politicans like to say.
I feel like youtube user zzz33333 Zack at the moment: there are all these problems out here and we still have to explain ethics 001 to people.