The Blasphemy Challenge: J.P. Holding Responds

Here are the rules:

1. Reply to the question.

2. Video responses would be great!

We intend to respond to every question, objection, diatribe and comment with video replies.

I may take some time, but we intend to.

- Jay Rogers and J.P. Holding

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• atheist
• agnostic
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[CafecitoConLeche]

"Could there be a natural explanation? Probably. But these people had their eyesight restored. "

How can it be a miracle if there is a posible natural explanation?

All "miracles" we know about are based on anecdotical reports from witnesses, rather than inequivocal evidence.

Even though a fenomena that we couldnt explain may arise, that doesn't mean that is supernatural; it just means that we have insufficient knowledge on the subject.

[JPTill]

Right now, you. You and your incredibly arrogant ego are keeping people from believing.

Humility and repentance from you would be a miracle more convincing than any resurrection.

Is that a millstone in your pocket?

[mojorhythm]

what would convince me?

If He came back to the 21st century and did it again. this time He has to be subject to our juiced up 21st century means of high-tech empirical verification that would determine it beyond any shadow of a reasonable doubt. Extraordinary claims need some seriously EXTRAORDINARY evidence to corroborate them, I take it you do not believe in the 1996 Hindu Milk Miracle?

[regelemihai]

Jesus wasn't "people." He was, as far as this debate is concerned, the unique son of God.

[saintpine]

I reject it, and have no problem with that.

I reject so much bullshit in my life, and more so if it comes from religious people.

"Witness" of this kind is useless.

I would'nt believe it even if jesus come back and was flying around me, i would think: "Shit what a good trick, where is Mr copperfield.

[saintpine]

Witnesses!!!, No value at all, you would always find reasons to debunk someone elses witnesses.

Why don't Christians believe in tha miracles of the Catholic Church ?

Witnesses especially gullable ones have absolutly no value to me.

[jcr4runner]

John never refers to himself as "John" in his Gospel.

Correct.

The author does refer to himself as the one who wrote these things (obviously) and as the disciple whom Jesus loved. This phrase is used five times and by a process of comparison with other passages it is meant to be John.

Can't go through it all in 500 characters.

This is what the author meant -- he claimed to be an eyewitness.

It's up to the reader to accept the claim or reject it.

[4312ton]

The Gospel of John never mentions John. Perhaps he was the "beloved disciple".

John 21-24 could be a quote from Jesus and not a self referral. The complete sentence:

"This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.".

Notice "we" and "his"

I fail to see how this could be interpreted as John personally claiming anything. Besides he was likely dead at the time of writing.

[jcr4runner]

The Gospel of John. John claims to have seen Jesus die, risen from the dead and he calls himself "This is the disciple who wrote these things" at the end of the account.

[4312ton]

You are getting of the subject, which was the resurrection. Of course, there were numerous claims of miraculous events. That's key in all religious claims!

Tell me where it says in the bible, by any author: "I was at the crucifixion, I watched Jesus die, and I saw him resurrected 3 days later".

PS, your censorship needs stretches this conversation to a ridiculous length.

[jcr4runner]

Nonsense.

Luke uses the word "we" in Acts. He witnessed miraculous events during those passages.

John uses the word we and refers to himself as "this is the disciple who wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true" and then refers to himself as "I."

Paul writes in the first person of miracles he witnessed.

[4312ton]

None of the NT authors are eye witnesses! "Somebody else" always saw the miraculous events.

Same as any other religion.