Derrick Jensen Interview Part 1 - Deep Green Resistance

An Interview By Challenging Civilization Blog - challengingciv.blogspot.com - discussing his new book Deep Green Resistance, co-authored with Lierre Keith and Aric McBay

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• 2011

[linghun]

And please do not idealize hunter-gatherer lifestyle. Dont forget it was the hgs who overhunted neolithic megafauna way before agriculture was adopted. Actually agriculture may have been adopted because hunter-gatherers tended to overshoot their hunting resources all the time. Eventually any serious DGR member will have to come to grips that humanity is inherently a killing machine and only our full extinction would usher in the sustainable paradise they seek.

[ChallengeCivBlog]

@linghun It's a shame the order of these comments is so messed up. Youtube's not the place to hold this debate, if you'd like to e-mail via the blog then feel free.

In no way am I idealising hunter-gatherers. And "only our full extinction would usher in the sustainable paradise they seek." There's a thought process that leads away from constructive solutions, and straight to pol pot-style ones. Ending this conversation here but certainly e-mail! Would love to carry this on in a better place

[linghun]

@TehAlexJonesChannel thank you for your supportive comments

[TehAlexJonesChannel]

@linghun You are a ethical, good, and empathetic person, why can't more people realize the human race needs to come to a graceful exit, soon.

[TehAlexJonesChannel]

@linghun You destroyed the arguments of these day-dreamers, thinking of a lazy, hunter-gatherer society.....they don't know that hunter gather societies were WAY more FUCKING BRUTAL,SADISTIC,MURDEROUS,PSYC­HOTIC and IGNORANT than humans alive today in modern civilization, since natural selection weeded out most of the sadistic murderous serial killers from modern genetics, through the course of epigenetics, and genes, i.e nature and nurture improving this shit. Human extinction is good.

[TehAlexJonesChannel]

@ChallengeCivBlog A BETTER PLACE WOULD BE HUMAN EXTINCTION.

[TehAlexJonesChannel]

@linghun YOU ARE LOGICAL, brilliant, arguing with these masochistic, Tribalism ideologues, is useless because they FAIL to understand basic Anthropology. Have a good 2012 bro.

[gortijx]

@linghun

Actually, that's not true. While it's true that some early hgs overhunted their areas, it's pretty far-fetched to generalize and say that every tribe did, when that's far from true. The Aboroignines of Australia, the Hadza of Tanzania, and the !Kung had tools and social systems that allowed them to live for tens of thousands of years with their environments, without destroying the nature that they used and needed to sustain their lifestyles.

[doctor0ne]

I think he'd get more mileage out of his ideas if he were open to constructive criticism. I like his ideas, but when I see no avenue open for challenging his ideas openly, I see someone that is just selling books.

[z05t9o]

So how do we keep the organization of violence from adopting the best model available ( the U.S military) and thus becoming extremely successful at accomplishing DGR goals? Isn't or human inclination towards power problematic for dismantling systems of power?

[linghun]

@rswcove Its the famous sliding scale. Hunter-gatherers were not as "sustainable" as primitivists imagine, they too seem at some point to have overshot their "landbase" way before civilization. Where exactly does "killing to live" and "successful survivors" become "being at war with life"? The mere fact we are intelligent will always make use supreme hunters, always "at war with life"... the logical conclusion of the Primitivist Critique is that only full human extinction would suffice.

[rswcove]

@linghun The inherent problem with this idea is that is assumes that people are fundamentally special. Big cats also caused several extinctions. So did aerobic bacteria. Life kills to live. Living things adapt and either succeed or fail, the result is natural selection. The difference is that 'civilized' human beings are systematically at war with life, whereas other humans were merely very successful survivors. The ecosystem can deal with the latter, not the former.