The Bible does not say "Christ did away with the Ceremonial laws but the 10 Commandments are intact".
The Bible does not say "Give a tenth of your income to the Church".
The Bible does not say that the Tithe has changed from food grown in Israel to money earned by Gentiles.
And Jesus says "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?". They answer "Caesar's". Jesus is actually telling them to NOT give money, because the money had Caesar's portrait and inscription.
How is it love to tell sinners that Forgiveness and Salvation are free, but once you have them, you have to toe the line, follow a list of laws, and give 10% of your income?
Is it free or not?
Is God's approval based on what we do, or on what He has already done?
If it's on what we do, then why does it say "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness"? It doesn't say "Abraham believed and obeyed God", or "Abraham's belief lead to obedience".
So when we admit that we are spiritually dead, the only thing for us to do is to take up Christ's spiritual life, and then share it with others.
No amount of laws, morals, or self-improvement regimens will make any difference. We can say and do the right things, but as Isaiah said, "all our righteous acts are like filthy rags".
That is why we stand on Christ, rely on Christ, move in Christ. Because otherwise, we are spiritually dead.
If you love Christ, then why do you cling to the law? Don't you know that Christ brings life, but the law brings only death?
Don't you know that there have been only two perfect men in all of history? The first, Adam, gave up his perfection for a lie and so became spiritually dead for the rest of his physical life.
The second, Jesus Christ, remained spiritually alive his entire physical life, then gave His physical life up for us and then gave His spiritual life to us.
The law is a mirror that leads us to Christ. Once it has done it's work, the law is done. And then we are not to be lead by the law. We are to be lead by the Spirit.
If we are in Christ, we are not to sit there looking at a mirror looking for sins. We are to let God do His work in making us a new creature.
That is total reliance on God. It's not about what we do, it's all about what He does!
@blueskunk12 We should not look towards the Moral law as our salvation i am not stating this in no way.What i am saying though is that the Moral law should be a mirror to us even once we accept Jesus as Lord why because we should want to be more like Jesus.We as Christians do not go around commenting adult nor do we steal the moral law is only a mirror to us.
@love4christx77
The Bible does not say "Christ did away with the Ceremonial laws but the 10 Commandments are intact".
The Bible does not say "Give a tenth of your income to the Church".
The Bible does not say that the Tithe has changed from food grown in Israel to money earned by Gentiles.
And Jesus says "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?". They answer "Caesar's". Jesus is actually telling them to NOT give money, because the money had Caesar's portrait and inscription.
blueskunk12 8 months ago
@love4christx77
How is it love to tell sinners that Forgiveness and Salvation are free, but once you have them, you have to toe the line, follow a list of laws, and give 10% of your income?
Is it free or not?
Is God's approval based on what we do, or on what He has already done?
If it's on what we do, then why does it say "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness"? It doesn't say "Abraham believed and obeyed God", or "Abraham's belief lead to obedience".
blueskunk12 8 months ago
@love4christx77
So when we admit that we are spiritually dead, the only thing for us to do is to take up Christ's spiritual life, and then share it with others.
No amount of laws, morals, or self-improvement regimens will make any difference. We can say and do the right things, but as Isaiah said, "all our righteous acts are like filthy rags".
That is why we stand on Christ, rely on Christ, move in Christ. Because otherwise, we are spiritually dead.
blueskunk12 8 months ago
@love4christx77
If you love Christ, then why do you cling to the law? Don't you know that Christ brings life, but the law brings only death?
Don't you know that there have been only two perfect men in all of history? The first, Adam, gave up his perfection for a lie and so became spiritually dead for the rest of his physical life.
The second, Jesus Christ, remained spiritually alive his entire physical life, then gave His physical life up for us and then gave His spiritual life to us.
blueskunk12 8 months ago
@love4christx77
The law is a mirror that leads us to Christ. Once it has done it's work, the law is done. And then we are not to be lead by the law. We are to be lead by the Spirit.
If we are in Christ, we are not to sit there looking at a mirror looking for sins. We are to let God do His work in making us a new creature.
That is total reliance on God. It's not about what we do, it's all about what He does!
blueskunk12 8 months ago
@love4christx77Promethesus is right. That was not written to us. It was written to the physical Israel, not to us.
It was physical Israel who received the command to Tithe. It was physical Israel who were told to put a tithe of the tithe into the storehouse.
You can't claim we are under grace, then beat people up with the law. They are not compatible.
blueskunk12 8 months ago
@blueskunk12 We should not look towards the Moral law as our salvation i am not stating this in no way.What i am saying though is that the Moral law should be a mirror to us even once we accept Jesus as Lord why because we should want to be more like Jesus.We as Christians do not go around commenting adult nor do we steal the moral law is only a mirror to us.
love4christx77 8 months ago
@love4christx77
How is that Love, that God left SOME of the law intact for us to obey? How is that Grace?
John 6:29
"The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
And again,
Romans 13:8
"Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law."
That is the only thing left for us to do, share God's love with others. But how it is love if we give people a list of rules to obey?
blueskunk12 8 months ago
@blueskunk12 Jesus done away with all 613 ceremonial laws but never has he done away with the Moral laws.
love4christx77 8 months ago