Bernie Sanders Speaks Out For "Meals On Wheels Program"
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@LorrieFludd don't give up on that perfect society just yet ;p you never know what's going on behind the scenes...
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Where are these people's children?
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...cont... And, " "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself."
~James Madison
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.....cont. Quotes pertinent to this discussion: "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?" – Thomas Jefferson........
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...cont. As for the bit about greed and a perfect society, don't forget the extent to which govt. crowds out charitable activity. Those in govt. could not be exempt from the characteristic of greed, which you note is inherent in humanity. I refer to the private sector as the voluntary sector and the govt. as a declared monopoly of force within a geographic region. Also be careful that you don't fall into the zero sum fallacy when talking about greed. I urge you to reconsider libertarianism.
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@LorrieFludd "People are greedy, that's a fact. I don't think the government should spend more money, I just think we should end the wars and use that money to help people out here at home." Are you aware that sans the bit about greed, you just described Ron Paul's position? He feels that despite the unrealistic nature of the promises and the looting of the S.S trust fund, the govt. has a contractual obligation the return the expropriated money to recipients. He would end the wars to do so.
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Say NO to Obama/Bush 2012!!!
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@timongarretson Sorta agree with you here, not calling for an end to meals on wheels but trying to demand more help for this age group that is well off at a time when the rest of us are suffering is what most people are objecting to.
If anything, the welfare for the richest age group should be cut(not calling for it) not increased
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@LorrieFludd I think it would be fair to say that, given the highly diverse demographic (geographically, culturally, and racially) of America, a lean, libertarian -federal- government with limited involvement only on matters of interstate commerce, foreign affairs, and national security makes sense. Then let states determine what programs (if any) to put in place for healthcare, education, or other welfare efforts which can be tailored to their needs. Then the programs might actually work.
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I lol at your stupidity.
I'm convinced that MOST Ron Paul supporters are not rabid libertarians, but simply people who seek a JUST and FAIR society.
The support/fondness for progressives like Bernie Sanders from their ranks is a good indication of this.
Keep being GOOD people.
Down4Funnn 1 month ago 9
@tr2899 How about have a civil discourse about the actual philosophical and economic content of those views, rather than hand-waving the entire potential discussion with empty rhetoric. Saying "they just want to destroy the country" is equally as meaningless as people who call Obama a socialist neo-nazi. Those types of comments contribute to the problem, not the solution.
Gotred 1 month ago 6