The War We Are In: Communism vs. Capitalism (2/2) (1962)

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Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a stateless and classless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate.

In Marxist theory, communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely-associated individuals.

The exact definition of communism varies, and it is often mistakenly used interchangeably with socialism; however, Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism. In modern usage, communism is often used to refer to the policies of states run by Communist parties, regardless of the type of economic system they preside over.

Criticisms of Marxism have come from the political left as well as the political right. Democratic socialists and social democrats reject the idea that socialism can be accomplished only through class conflict and a proletarian revolution. Many anarchists reject the need for a transitory state phase. Some thinkers have rejected the fundamentals of Marxist theory, such as historical materialism and the labor theory of value, and gone on to criticize capitalism - and advocate socialism - using other arguments.

Some contemporary supporters of Marxism argue that many aspects of Marxist thought are viable, but that the corpus is incomplete or somewhat outdated in regards to certain aspects of economic, political or social theory. They may therefore combine some Marxist concepts with the ideas of other theorists such as Max Weber: the Frankfurt school is one example.

V. K. Dmitriev, writing in 1898, Ladislaus von Bortkiewicz, writing in 1906-07, and subsequent critics have alleged that Marx's value theory and law of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall are internally inconsistent. In other words, the critics allege that Marx drew conclusions that actually do not follow from his theoretical premises. Once these alleged errors are corrected, his conclusion that aggregate price and profit are determined by, and equal to, aggregate value and surplus value no longer holds true. This result calls into question his theory that the exploitation of workers is the sole source of profit.

Whether the rate of profit in capitalism has, as Marx predicted, tended to fall is a subject of debate. N. Okishio, in 1961, devised a theorem (Okishio's theorem) showing that if capitalists pursue cost-cutting techniques and if the real wage does not rise, the rate of profit must rise. Real wages have risen, however, making this theorem undecisive to the real case.

The inconsistency allegations have been a prominent feature of Marxian economics and the debate surrounding it since the 1970s. Andrew Kliman argues that, since internally inconsistent theories cannot possibly be right, the inconsistency charges serve to legitimate the suppression of Marx's critique of political economy and current-day research based upon it, as well as the correction of Marx's alleged inconsistencies.

Critics who have alleged that Marx has been proved internally inconsistent include former and current Marxian and/or Sraffian economists, such as Paul Sweezy, Nobuo Okishio, Ian Steedman, John Roemer, Gary Mongiovi, and David Laibman, who propose that the field be grounded in their correct versions of Marxian economics instead of in Marx's critique of political economy in the original form in which he presented and developed it in Capital.

Proponents of the Temporal Single System Interpretation (TSSI) of Marx's value theory claim that the supposed inconsistencies are actually the result of misinterpretation; they argue that when Marx's theory is understood as "temporal" and "single-system," the alleged internal inconsistencies disappear. In a recent survey of the debate, a proponent of the TSSI concludes that "the proofs of inconsistency are no longer defended; the entire case against Marx has been reduced to the interpretive issue."

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  • @KayBeeEee1983 129 countries in the world. More than 1000 US Army Bases around the world, including China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere except North Korea. You want to talk about Imperialism?

  • @KayBeeEee1983 its amazing how idiots like you mock what you don't understand. Where do you learn your "facts"? Glenn Beck ( AKA Racist Moron who thinks everyone whose ideology opposes him is a communist). Considering you most likely consider all communists idiots, I'd say you get practice " arguing with "idiots"" by looking in the mirror and opening your mouth.

  • @KayBeeEee1983 Don't tel me you get stuff from the internet? The most logical assumption of what site you went to..uhh..lets say... Wiki-wearestupid-pedia?

  • @KayBeeEee1983 Look, assfuck, if you don't have the attention span to sit through reading anything longer than a You Tube comment, why ask about sources for the US support of Nazis against communists in WW2 Greece?

    But then, that is typical of your stupid low-watt kind. William Blum is perhaps America's foremost historian of CIA & US military overthrows of foreign governments. Your comment about Blum is internet gunk. Read his books.

    Your comment about Vietnam is ill-informed and moronic.

  • @KayBeeEee1983 "I'm asking about the FASCISTS trying to take over the world, not communists, retard."

    OK, you assfucking moron, you were talkng about fascists. Hitler, you scumfuck whore, was a fascist: The Nazis took much of their prgoram from Mussolini. Hitler wanted to take over the world.

    In other words, you too-stupid-to-think dumb cunt, the United States fought WW2 in order to save the world from fascism & then put fascists BACK into power.

    Wow. What values & logic!

  • @bapyou LOL I just looked up that guy william blum.  He's one of the guys that thinks the collapse of the WTC was a controlled demolition. You're such an idiot! Now it makes sense why you are so ignorant of the USA. You've just lost all of what little credibility you had left. You're a joke!

    "Vietnam was an illegal imperialist war of agression."

    You're totally right about that one. Imperialist Russia helped North Vietnam invade the South.

  • @bapyou Are you on drugs? You can't remember one sentence to the next.

    "Proof of our tolerance as long as the fascists aren't plotting world domination."

    "America has overthrown democracy around the world installing dictatorsips in its place"

    "Which of those nations have plotted world domination post-WW2?"

    "they were all part of the Great International Communist Conspiracy to overthrow democracy."

    I'm asking about the FASCISTS trying to take over the world, not communists, retard.

  • @KayBeeEee1983 "Which of those nations have plotted world domination post-WW2?"

    According to US foreign policy, they were all part of the Great International Communist Conspiracy to overthrow democracy.

    "Why did we fight in Vietnam and Korea?" Vietnam was an illegal imperialist war of agression. The Vietnamese, you sorry excuse for a human being, wished to be free of foreign domination. The US wished to dominate it.

    Greece: start with William Blum's 'Killing Hope' & references therein.

  • @bapyou "Greece, France, Italy, Chile, Guatemala, Honduras, Portugal, Nicaragua "

    You have terrible reading comprehension skills. Which of those nations have plotted world domination post-WW2?

    "In Greece toward the close of WW2, the US actively supported Nazis in fighting the communists who had resisted the Nazi occupation of Greece."

    Where did you get that? Show me a source.

    "The US, you cowardly dimwit, has NEVER supported democracy anywhere."

    Why did we fight in Vietnam and Korea, then?

  • @KayBeeEee1983 "I said we tolerate fascists WHO AREN'T PLOTTING WORLD DOMINATION."

    The Us actively supported fascists and placed them in power. This was done in Greece, France, Italy, Chile, Guatemala, Honduras, Portugal, Nicaragua . . . the list is endless.

    In Greece toward the close of WW2, the US actively supported Nazis in fighting the communists who had resisted the Nazi occupation of Greece.

    The US, you cowardly dimwit, has NEVER supported democracy anywhere.

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