The Rose 3: Paurenfeindt's Wrath Cut longsword techniques

The 3rd video in our series on the Rose, in which there is an IMPORTANT INSIGHT for interpreters. 3 sequences from Andre Paurenfeindt, published 1531, from his section referencing Liechtenauer's verse on Zornhau or Wrath Cut: 1) Fluegel or Wing Cut, 2) Cron or Crown Cut, and 3) Feler or Failer (Feint). Each sequence includes a counter, and the counter for the 3rd sequence is essentially the Rose.

An edited version of the translation is below for convenience. For those of you interested in a transcription and translation of the original text, go to http://sites.google.com/site/forteswordplay/Home/knowledge-base/historical-so...

For more detailed technical analysis that highlights the important interpretive insight, go to http://sites.google.com/site/forteswordplay/Home/knowledge-base/the-rose-3-pa...

WING.

Deliver Winging out from the High Guard or High Point, the first strike from the Day to the left ear, the second from below with the step on your left side, the third strike going backwards, at the head.

COUNTER [TO THE PREVIOUS TECHNIQUE].

If he delivers a Winging at you, parry the first from the Day, block the second from below with your long edge, and grasp with your left hand on the pommel of his sword, thus you throw him over his sword.

CROWN

Step and strike through from above with your long edge to his left ear, step and strike the second with your short edge above below the right ear, and strike the third going backwards with the long edge.

COUNTER

When a Crown Cut is delivered at you, catch the first, against the second strike lay your short edge on his neck, thus he will strike himself.

FAILER
Deliver the Failer out of the High Point: cut through short at his left ear and step with your left foot against his right side and strike the second strike long in at his right ear, remaining high with good parrying.

COUNTER.

Cut from above out of the Ox against him, underneath through the Rose, and lay your short edge in his face, turn away short, and strike after with the long edge.

TECHNIQUE[/"RULE"]

Cut through against his strike, and step with your right foot in the Triangle so that you well open yourself. If he seeks to strike to your opening, then step with you left foot and strike after from[/with] the hand.

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• Paurenfeindt
• Egenolff

[jediknight2694]

The english rolling strike, my bad, I mean round. from the Harleian Manuscript Basicly a horizontal strike at the head that does moulinet back around. I have been loosely studying w the black falcon school in Colorado

[fortejeff]

Thanks for clarifying. So, you're trying to draw a parallel to the 2nd and 3rd strikes in the Wing Cut sequence (i.e. Wing Cut and High Cut to the head)? Based on your description (and not knowing anything more about the specifics from the Harleian ms), that could be.

Please give my give best to Ben...

[jediknight2694]

So is the wing cut basicly like the english rolling cut but bouncing of your opponents blade? Or is there no roll intended?

[fortejeff]

Not sure what you mean by "english rolling cut" (moulinet?), I'm guessing the answer is no -- the opponent's blade doesn't have room to give you much momentum to bounce off with. So it's sort of a trade off -- on the one hand you don't bounce off using the opponent's energy, but on the other hand, you do jam the opponent -- at least as part of this sequence.

[ThatQuietDude]

Honestly, I cannot see the difference between the Wing Cut and the Crown Cut. Sure, I see how the counters to those cuts are different, but the cuts themselves look identical. Can you shed some light on this?

[fortejeff]

My apologies that you cannot distinguish between the Wing and the Cut. If you look at the video segment from 5:07-5:14, that's probably the clearest visual comparison between the two. Otherwise, in text all I can say is that the Wing comes from below and the Crown from above -- try watching it again with that in mind.

[stefchollet]

great vid thank's

superb technique at 2min 10...loool

greetings from PAris

[Sermaelgrim]

Ahoy, Jeff. Best to you and yours. Nice work as always. I really appreciate your clarity of instruction in these videos.

The rolling stroke is a cut at the hands (almost a "Schnappen") as a second-intention attack coming in multiples.

I believe JediKnight is confusing the rolling strokes with a rownde--a horizontal cut at the head not unlike a Zwerch. It's usually found doubled (either one on each side, or two to the same side in a continuous circular motion).

[haffoc]

Well done, guys.

[ThatQuietDude]

Oh, now I see. In both cuts I was just looking at the third strike, the one where you strike the head. I noticed that the second strike in the Wing Cut is with the long edge, while the second strike in the Crown Cut is with the short edge. Thank you so much.