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@BasilFawlty4444 I have faith in those who take responsibility for their actions, which excludes 95% of Americans. That other countries have lower obesity rates is hardly flattering--those rates are still incredibly high, DESPITE socialized care. Likewise, the UK has taxes and other disincentives on unhealthy goods and products. I concede NHS is a somewhat good system--one that would never be feasible in such a high risk country as the US, where so many $ interests are staked on poor health.
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@thereinliestherib Yeah, which is why the obesity rate in countries with free healthcare - Canada and the UK - is over 15% lower than the obesity rate of the US... that's your argument in tatters. Your problem is that you have too little faith in the human race.
The AIM of the NHS is to MAKE people independent, get them BACK to work, and throughout our lives it will always be there to do that... that's why it's motto is "cradle to the grave."
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@BasilFawlty4444 Oh yeah? Do they spend all your hard earned money on poster campaigns against obesity? Why not just force people to assume the costs of their own added risk, rather than removing every single incentive to take personal responsibility for one's health? "Socialized" healthcare is just cover for a market of bureacrats to entrench themselves by driving up public risk, thereby requiring dependence upon them. The obesity/overweight rate in the US is 75%--are you aware of this?
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@thereinliestherib What absolute nonsense. The NHS is at the forefront of the campaign against obesity and smoking... besides it's not as if people lose the will to maintain their own health if they don't have to pay for healthcare - that's an insane suggestion!
At the formation of the NHS in 1948, the aim of the service was - and is - to "relieve your money worries in times of trouble." Tell me there aren't millions of Americans who don't relate to that.
And btw, I DON'T LIVE IN AMERICA.
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@BasilFawlty4444 People don't understand the system? Indeed, much like yourself. US healthcare is broken exactly because of an insanely unhealthy, 75% obese/overweight population of laggards and smokers (which means there is a 75%+ chance this is you). A public system simply diffuses the higher risk of a bunch of stupid fatties among the lower risk, thereby removing any incentive to actually take responsibility for one's friggin health. If you don't like America, there's the door. -->
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Google *ALEC Exposed* by John Nichols at The Nation.
ALEC Sabotaged HC reform/Single Payer efforts. They crafted the Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act, which, despite its Orwellian name, was written to DENY the citizens of any state that passed it the freedom to set up a Single Payer system. It played a key role in a well-coordinated effort to keep the most progressive proposals from being enacted at the state or federal level while blocking provisions imposing oversight of ins companies.
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This is complete bullshit. The only reason that the US doesn't have a state health system is because the people opposing it simply don't understand the concept of an NHS and/or state-funded national insurance system, or they are being bankrolled by the large medical corporations.
For a country founded in order to throw off the shackles of oppressive masters, this is simply testimony to how plutocratic the US seems to have become... moreso even than Britain!
Now there's an irony!
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You guys wanna know something funny?? In sweden the doctors has alot of control, what do they do you ask. They make sure that it is very hard almost impossible to becoma doctor so that the numbers of doctors are at a minimum so they earn more cash :D lovely huh in my city were losing our hospital but come on its only 30 000 people that will be without medecin or surgery. Hospitals needs to be under the goverments controll so that we all will be treated with equal rights
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@DoomHamster5197 ever wonder what is the government? Its the people making laws. In simple terms, U may think government is fucking the country, but it actually means more than 51% of americans are stupid and dont know what is good for the country. Remember, the government is as Smart as the majority of people that represents.
pjce3 1 year ago 8
Just imagine the government deciding on what healthcare you get! I'd much rather it was in the hands of a business that couldn't care less about your health but just maximising profits. Yeah, that sounds like a better idea
kavanagh21 11 months ago 6