The Creation: Science v Religion; Documentary (4 of 4)

The Creation
Documentary: by Everyman 1985
Peter William Atkins (born August 10, 1940)John Polkinghorne KBE FRS (born October 16, 1930
Paul Davies is theoretical physicist, cosmologist, astrobiologist, author and broadcaster. He was born in London in 1946

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[creativeprojects720]

It's also just a lot easier to say that "god did all this", than to have to explain every detail of what happened. That's why the religious people are not as smart or inquisitive, than the scientist- types. The scientist types have a lot of questions and they are very inquisitive, spending a lot of their time thinking and pondering. The religious ones are more content with "work" and not as much mental thinking.

[DrMontague]

@creativeprojects720 John Polkinghorne (in this vid)  was a Professor of theoretical physics at Cambridge University. He is now an ordained priest. So obviously he does think. He's an authority on theoretical physics. This simply shows that top physicists can have a psychological yearning for the gods.

[creativeprojects720]

@DrMontague Well there are always exceptions to the rule. I was making a generalization. A lot of scientists are also Christians.

[DrMontague]

@rstevewarmorycom You do not know how to present a coherent argument. You're all over the shop. Go and learn English. You are nothing but a creationist retard. Non fool the Doc!

[rstevewarmorycom]

@DrMontague Something else important is that my take on the Infinite holds that it is NOT "supernatural". It is the source

and heart of Nature, it operates Evolutionarily, and anything that

had to be arranged "before the foundation of the world" for our

existence to exist, exists spontaneously in Deep Nature as what

we would call the complexities of the proton and other particles/

forces. Everything already happened and is implicit in Deep Nature.

Infinite Multi-Universal Timeless Determinism.

[DrMontague]

@rstevewarmorycom . What are you blabbering on about.? Your last comment is total excrement. Do you have a problem with English language? It is quite simple, you want to believe there is an intelligence behind the cosmos i.e. a god, a supernatural being. In other words you are a theist who makes a feeble attempt at hiding behind scientific and philosophical Jargon which you have a poor understanding of.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@DrMontague What I'm saying, quite simply, is that there is a

reason that each one of us calls ourself by the same name, ME!

It's NOT a coincidence. We're the same Infinite One/Many.

That WE is the Uncreated. It exists outside all time and all lives

and within each one of us, AS us!

[DrMontague]

@rstevewarmorycom Basically you have a psychological yearning for wanting to believe there is a supernatural natural being behind everything. Of course like any other religious belief you offer no proof of these supernatural beings. It just that you would like to believe in them. Then we get back to the argument where did the supernatural being come from? And why the fuck do these supernatural being fuck about so much!? Come off it their planet making skills are appalling .

[rstevewarmorycom]

@DrMontague And if we are not made of atoms, if atoms are,

like Bohr said, only a model, and the little balls on some device

screens are more a feature of the our seeing and that device

than reality, then are we just thought, and not even provably our

OWN thought but Something Else's?

There is enough room in physics for Deity or the Divinely Infinite,

you just have to be careful what you're claiming it them, because

*I* sure as fuck don't know what "God" is, and NOBODY does

or ever did!!

[rstevewarmorycom]

@DrMontague (cont) All that we see hear taste touch smell

THINK comes into our mind as a thought, and also part of the

thought that we are the thinker and we are aware of this thought,

and we have no control of this, it happens without our desire or

agreement. We are unable to change even the tiniest thing that

we believe. If we could we might well believe we were somewhere

else more pleasant, and we'd believe we were that other person

there, no causation, chaos completely by whim. (cont)