Stupid Atheist Tricks, Part 0: Strategic Language Corruption

Bob Weigel of sounddoctorin.com monologues and marginally rants about the way a lot of people claiming to be atheist strategically use certain words (including Atheist) over words that more closely/clearly describe what they really mean in order to create an illusion of strength in the eyes of the naive. For example the word Agnostic describes more closely (from the logical roots of the words rather than any particular dictionary definition, since these are often conformed to a culture which has perverted the original logical intent of the words. ) the most tenable position for most people claiming to be atheist when you really bring them down to terms, since one can't prove that there is no God. In fact one can't even say that they have evidence that there is a God. Rather evaluating what a person sees in nature, we see aspect after aspect which after thousands of years of consideration STILL has not been explained aside from "Maybe God did it!" While on the other end of things, the testimony of creation in the bible reports BOTH physical and spiritual things. And strangely ALL of the physical things are perfectly within the boundaries of known science! (Eg. 'the earth was formless and void'. This would describe a hot earth formation which ALL scientists I believe lay claim to!) Given the raw number of things in the bible which state things that interact with *then* unknown physical facts AND the fact that ALL of them are STILL FITTING with science lays out a statistical support that is staggering.

In other words any sensible person would look at these facts and say "ok, this is probably valid history then".

So anyway not only is it impossible to really form evidence against a spiritual God from a physical sensory evaluation, there also exist statistical analysis scenarios which just defy all odds IN FAVOR of the testimony in the books of the bible. So the Atheist position is intellectually very very weak at best. So naturally people who wish to be in this framework have to resort to...stupid atheist tricks :-). Enjoy the series.
---------------------------Cut/paste of a reply re: atheist/agnostic

If our language is based on LOGIC then there is no reason to have a word other than 'agnostic' to describe people who don't have a firm belief that there IS a God. Because it is clearly unknowable to a person who doesn't HAVE a spiritual experience to testify absolutely that there IS a God, as to whether or not there is one. All their talk is just drivel because logically you can't disprove that there is a God. Many claim that they know there IS one. And that the scenario exists where this God doesn't want to overtly display themself since it would nullify the possibility that anyone would come to love him, but rather everyone would respond out of FEAR... (and some just plain keel over like annanias and sapphira when they found out the spirit could read their minds...)

I'm promoting logical language use. As to whether a person *thinks* their is a God or *thinks* there is not is what the words 'theist' and 'atheist' should cover. By the NATURE of the vague description 'theist' it should be obvious that the person is also agnostic. They don't really *know* or they'd have a more FIRM description of who this God is!! Rather than the ultimately vague 'theist' label.

Meanwhile, if a person says 'atheist' it is all the more obvious they are also 'agnostic' so there's no reason to be redundant and say 'agnostic athiest'. Yeah we know. Unless we're idiots. Only an idiot would think that you can be a 'gnostic atheist' :-) I mean what kind of knucklehead would think that you can have some absolute knowledge that there is no God? That doesn't even make sense. What hypothetical means would a person KNOW this by? We as humans don't even have an innate way to define what God *might* potentially be! Hence we have no way to establish parameters on how to *test* to see if there is a God. Absurd. Please consider this *before* you post or I'll just remove your post. -Bob

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[gotohell114]

I cannot say there are no gods.

But I can definitively say that the christian god cannot exist as described in the bible.

It cannot be unchanging and yet changing or better yet, able to be convinced to change its actions by a mortal.

It cannot be all-powerful and all-knowing, they are contradictory.

And it cannot be the definition of 'good' and yet punish people for 'all time'.

Now, if you have a powerful(not all-powerful), evil or uncaring god, that would be hard to disprove.

[sounddoctorin]

@gotohell114 Wow great to see someone THINKING finally :-). I've been deleting ad hominems and people who obviously are just trying to be insulting for some time.

Now your question is one that isn't immediately obvious so I give you credit for bringing up a 'good question' finally. Your only *problem* is the use of the word 'definitely'. You are incorrect because 1) Bible never says God knows all future free will choices 2) God created us with autonomous free will so love relationship canbe

[sounddoctorin]

@sounddoctorin So no you have no 'definite' evidence that the bible is illogical. God CAN be able to do anything power-related..and still not be able to create free will AND twist that will to be what he wants. *THAT* is the logical contradiction and God is not a liar. So he's not going to claim to be able to do something logically impossible. Logic is applied truth. Also a logical scenario exists Re: Creating people for the GOOD intent of having eternal relationships..yet they forsake it.

[Reaper818dn]

I'm an Atheist...And I, nor the Atheists i know, claim to KNOW there isn't a God..We simply don't think there is sufficient evidence to support the idea of God.

Obviously I'm sure there are some Atheists out there who do claim that(we can agree they're arrogant), but that being the case...how is that any different from Christians claiming they KNOW there IS a God? Looks like we got a double standard here.

Your belief is your own, as my non-belief is mine. Can't we all just get along?

[sounddoctorin]

@Reaper818dn Yes we know some calling themselves atheist take and agnostic position...which is why I just call them agnostic so as to be more clear. Recommend they do the same. Meanwhile I fully explained I thought the difference. There is a hypothetical way one can have clear information in their experience about the existence of God. There is however NO hypothetical way someone can have information that God does not exist since there is no firm definition of parameters so it's testable.

[tnmusicman1]

Can I have an email for you? I'm a Christian and would like to get your opinion on how to handle a certain situation, but doesn't need to be in a public forum. Btw, i played keys, among other things, untill stricken with Ankylosing Spondilitus. I really miss it. Anyway, if we could "talk" it would really be great .

[sounddoctorin]

@tnmusicman1 sure I'm out of town at the moment and will be pretty busy taking advantage of the time window back here fore a bit but my sounddoctorin on skype maybe later at night if you have skype

[sounddoctorin]

@sarainreno30 Hi. Like I say agnostic just applies in context usually to knowledge about whether or not there is a God. Though if people were to actually study on they'd find out that 2nd law of TD says logically in it's implications that something had to at least pump up the P. E. of matter or we'd be at heat death. Something non-physical. And that should launch people on a search as to what that might be. Your position sounds like a fine one to me. Seek and you'll find!

[sarainreno30]

First let me say you seem like a nice guy. People identified themselves with different degrees of atheism because the dictionary definition does not cover it and agnostic does mean without knowledge, but cover what exactly one is without knowledge about. There are some militant atheists out there and I have to agree how could they know there is no god? I try to be open minded, I doubt fairies exist but will stay open minded until evidence presents itself.

[sounddoctorin]

@platostotle86 Obviously you use an inductive hypothetical. I blocked this guy because his other comment I removed was a name calling excerpt combined with an attempt at fancy language that tripped over itself. lol. Utterly ignorant people who try to look intelligent by putting some words like posit and predicate into a sentence where they don't even have logical formation. Enough.