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The Merits of the Two Party System

A response to FakeSagan on why I support the two-party system in the United States  
 
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ThomasRosenkreuz (3 months ago) Show Hide
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The two party system is a manipulative lie.

It offers the ILLUSION of choice where there is NO REAL CHOICE.
vernacularsnoop (7 months ago) Show Hide
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The video's creator is assuming that even with the rise of more parties, we would keep the same exact voting system. Instant-runoff voting, which is coming into use in cities across the US, would allow for multi-candidate elections and solve the problem of candidates winning without a majority. Proportional representation in legislatures would give parties seats based on their percentage of the vote, so all voters would be represented fairly.
vernacularsnoop (7 months ago) Show Hide
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In the 2000 presidential election, 51.3% of voting-age Americans voted, and 47.9% of those voted for Bush. So the eventual president had the support of 24.6% of the populace.
We have checks and balances (such as the judicial branch) to prevent government from exceeding its limits, and bureaucracies to make sure things don't happen too fast. The job of elected officials should be to represent the voters, whether or not that entails being 'moderate' as this video has in mind.
NeverEnoughBall (8 months ago) Show Hide
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just a point... in canada we largely have a 4 party system... kinda... conservative party, liberal party, new democrat party, and the block(they're french. lol). conservatives and liberals are almost always in power with a minority government. the benefit of having more parties is you get minority governments... recently our prime minister was apparently fuckin everything up so we had a vote of no confidence... i think he stayed in i'm not sure, i was actually in the states..
just some info
HeathMercer (8 months ago) Show Hide
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I understand that, but in the United States, due to the way our constitution is structured, all executive authority is vested in one party for a period of four years. It would take a massive changing of our constitution to allow for a no confidence proceeding, and amending our constitution requires a 2/3 majority, and the risk of doing that isn't worth the gain.
NeverEnoughBall (8 months ago) Show Hide
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how is the risk not worth the gain?... what i thought before and what you just said kind of clarified this. you have a democratic dictatorship. vote for one of two guys to run the country for 4 years. i'm not saying Canada's system is oh so much better... just think being able to have the vote of no confidence should be completely expected of any democracy.
HeathMercer (8 months ago) Show Hide
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Well, the main difference is that powers are separated. It isn't like the executive branch can just decree whatever they want. But in terms of things like law enforcement, environmental policy, and foreign policy, it's very much controlled by the executive branch.
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FakeSagan, you do realize that the 3rd parties would be just as corrupt as the two major parties as soon as they gained any power right? They aren't as corrupt now because they have now power and thus no one desires to corrupt them because they can't giver anyone access to anything they might want. But as soon as they gained any power, from your vote presumably, they would be immediately corrupted by the same money and interests that corrupt the Republicans and the Democrats.
HeathMercer (8 months ago) Show Hide
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As long as sloganeering and memes rule elections in the United States, the number of parties is irrelevant. The only thing the two party system serves to do is slow change, so we can see problems coming. With today's current media and cultural climate, a third party's rise would have to be accompanied by the same problems which the Republican and Democratic parties currently face, so their problems would exist from inception, even before money took over.
NeverEnoughBall (8 months ago) Show Hide
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"we can see problems coming"
like the current economic problems, the housing collapse, 9/11, Bush winning a second term, cutting all funding for 'pandemic relief' and then getting a 'pandemic' (not really but i keep seeing huge news bullitens. 6 IN CANADA, OH NO!... we're allllll fucked)

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