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Franklin Roosevelt Social Security

Franklin Roosevelt gives a speech after signing the Social Security Act.  
 
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HapaLife (4 days ago) Show Hide
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Spend spend spend. We're broke, we're in a recession. What's the solution? Spend spend spend. Government is the problem, and once citizens start educating themselves this progression of debt will lead us to utter destruction. Argentina was the 4th richest country at the turn of the 20th century. Debt turned them into one of the poorest. It can and it will happen in the United States within the next 10 years if we continue down this line of thought. Consumption without production = doom.
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FDR in great new bio (Ted Kennedy: The Early Years) at amazon!
npowell013 (1 month ago) Show Hide
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Wrong bigoljameo. If you're middle-class you put in a buck, if you're rich you put in 2, and if you have no job you put in 0. But, from that pool, we can give each $1. In the end, it's not as simple as either of us has described it. But, the point is it's a safety net - by it's nature some will help pay for it who will never really need/use it. But, those same people will benefit from living in a society where the poor aren't stealing to feed themselves. Better for ALL.
stanleythughes (3 weeks ago) Show Hide
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So it is kind of like this. Two wolves and a sheep are standing around talking about what to eat for lunch. So of course they vote on it and decide to eat the sheep. They tell the sheep that it is for the social good, good for society and "Better for ALL".
npowell013 (3 weeks ago) Show Hide
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Wow, what a great analogy, stan. I hadn't heard that one before. [/srcsm]

"Bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful,
must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
--Thomas Jefferson

In our system, the wolves cannot vote to eat the sheep. And, All ARE better off for living in a society with a "safety net".
stanleythughes (3 weeks ago) Show Hide
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The SS tax rate is 15%.
State taxes income 7% (Calif),
sales tax 10%
Fed income tax rate 28%

In direct taxes well over 50%

Then you have to include business taxes that are passed along to us through high cost of goods. maybe another 10%. Inflation tax 2%

Add it up. You wolves are very very hungry. And of course all of this is for some sort of "Social Good"
npowell013 (2 weeks ago) Show Hide
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The SS tax is only 15% if you are self-employed (15.3% to be exact). Otherwise it's 7.65% for SS AND Medicare. Your # is misleading.

That CA Sales tax of 10% must suck, no argument. I pay 6.5% in my county, but OH is 5.5% base rate. Your # is NOT misleading.

Your Fed Income tax rate IS misleading, as this rate is ONLY APPLIED TO YOUR ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME - that's AFTER credits and deductions. You are NOT paying that 28% on your full income. Your effective rate is far lower.
npowell013 (2 weeks ago) Show Hide
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You can't simply ADD UP the various tax rates and say "well over 50%", because they are paid at various points in the lifespan of the money. But, this is basically a semantics point.

You overly simplify an overly complex issue when you say, regarding corporate taxes being passed along as higher prices, "maybe another 10%". I don't expect a dissertation in <500 words, but that # is unsupported, not to mention difficult to nail down in the first place.

I'm OK with your inflation figure.
npowell013 (2 weeks ago) Show Hide
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Also, corp. taxes can result in lower wages, as well.

All that being said, it really doesn't matter if you're being misleading or not.

Here's what matters: You can't say ALL taxes are bad, just as I can't say ALL gov't services are good. In fact, I can agree that taxes are likely too high, simply 'cause I can see that some of that money is clearly being wasted on some of those very gov't services.
npowell013 (2 weeks ago) Show Hide
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In the end, the society AS A WHOLE benefits from the poor NOT being utterly destitute. Maintaining a minimum for the least of our brethren is good for the entire populace for many reasons, including cutting crime and maintaining a viable workforce. So, a social safety net IS NECESSARY. And, YES, I am willing to pay higher taxes to make sure we have it. And, because you also benefit, directly or otherwise, I expect you to pay, as well. Call it theft, I call it DUTY & social obligation.

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