The Cosmological Argument (3 common arguments, Part 1)

This is the first in my short series where I show the obvious flaws in many theist arguments that supposedly prove God is real.

They don't, but wishful thinking combined with a lack of education is a powerful thing.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• cosmological
• argument
• atheist
• christian
• muslim
• jewish
• creation
• big
• bang
• flaw
• illogical

[jungblut7]

that is the idea. God created time. He is not bound by it. God created our natural laws, and exists outside of our space-time reality, so obviously these natural laws that exist only inside of our space-time reality cannot bind the creator, outside of it. Also, our human minds are not necessarily capable of understanding things that are bigger than our reality, as our minds are limited by the potential of this reality, forever falling short of the omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscienseofGod.

[CroBob]

When did God create time? Where was he when he did it? If dimensions are required for places and times AND God is outside of the universe's dimensions, then God is nowhere, and he has never done anything. Unless there's a universe in which God exists and it's outside of this universe, God cannot exist, for nothing is where there is "nothing". That's why it's "nothing" instead of "something". And if it doesn't exist within this universe, then we CANNOT know it.

[AtheistAtLARGE]

Time is change or the measurment of change ...

We use this all the time in DEBATE FAITH at stickam

In addition we can go on with the argument if there is no space then where is god at ?

NO time means doing nothing, irrelevance is noted, if there is no time and no space there is no god.

[CroBob]

I don't stick-cam ever, and I'm not even sure what that term means. Either way, good work.

[philstilwell]

It could be that our current intuitive understanding of causation is either wrong or inadequate to account for or to understand what if anything was prior to singularity. This follows from our wrong yet persistent intuitions about time until Einstein.

[CroBob]

Yes, it could. But that doesn't mean time exists outside the universe, all the sudden.

[Duplooytim]

lol your joking right?

[raponte1955]

@myteethareshiny Peace, Rolando.

[myteethareshiny]

@raponte1955 I didn't make that argument, the video creator did. If you want to argue against that, argue with him. When you provided an argument against that, I simply asked you to back it up with actual evidence, which you then refused.

Look, I have nothing against you personally, but next time, make sure of who you're arguing with before you start a pointless debate. I'm pretty sure that by now we both have seen the futility in this. Peace out, Holmes.

[raponte1955]

@myteethareshiny OK - fair enough. But for the record, I was arguing against your argument of the impossibility of time having a start or an origin. You asked me to provide evidence of God's existence. To that I replied I don't need to provide any. See, two different things. Anyway I appreciate having a respectful exchange with you, which is not usual with most of the atheist community.

[myteethareshiny]

@raponte1955 Picking the "flea in the tail dog"? ... Smooth...

And what argument? I didn't present an argument. I'm not trying to prove anything here. All I ever set out to do in the first comment was congratulate the video creator for pointing out a flaw that I had never seen. I wasn't arguing anything. Then you came along and started arguing with me, afterward saying that you don't want to argue and telling me to believe as I wish. You're saying one thing and doing another!

[raponte1955]

@myteethareshiny "You're saying one thing and doing another"...And you are no different to most atheists, just picking the "flea in the tail dog", since they have no valid argumentation. I guess that for the sake of consistency, you won't be replying to this.

[myteethareshiny]

@raponte1955 If that's how you truly feel, why did you even bother to reply to my original comment? You're saying one thing and doing another, just like virtually every Christian I've ever argued with.

[raponte1955]

@myteethareshiny "Do you have any thoughts of your own? I've heard all these arguments many times before you said it now" Logical fallacy. How many different arguments can be stated in order to sound "original"?. Your comment is simply ridiculous and it's more like a red herring. Actually, most of your comments are no different to those I've heard ad-nauseam from atheists. And again, I don't have to prove a thing to you. Do and believe as you wish.

[myteethareshiny]

@raponte1955 Do you have any thoughts of your own? I've heard all these arguments many times before you said it now. It's as if you cannot think for yourself or simply refuse to.

Until the existence of a God is proven to me, I'll continue to assume that he is made up, because that's where the evidence points. And just because some people blindly believe abiogenesis and your other examples, it doesn't mean that all atheists do. That would be as bad as blindly believing in a magical sky daddy.

[raponte1955]

@myteethareshiny I don't have to prove anything, that's your problem if you don't want to believe in a God whose existence is already declared by the heavens, the universe and all the creation. And God can exempt himself from the rules of reality, because actually he made them. People believe in the miracle of abiogenesis or the metaphysics of string theory and multiverses which can't be proven, but resist to the idea of believing in God, because they want to continue living as their own gods.