Debunking 5 Common Theist Arguments

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Links, if you dare: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/
http://talkorigins.org/
Tracks (in order): Big Gigantic - Wish I Knew, Sabrepulse - Wanting, The Best Pessimist - Guardian Angel, The Algorithm - Kernel Pt. 1, Gidropony - Rock in Battle City, Bjorn Lynne - Secret World, Lemaitre - Blue Shift.
Do a google search and type in "common theist arguments" for a first page full of atheists' rebuttals to common theist statements. Inspiration for talking points courtesy of several sites in that google search. All picture files courtesy of Google Images.

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[johhnycarlos]

@steviej321 Free will includes the free reign of natural law as well. Mutually exclusive.

[steviej321]

@johhnycarlos "Free will includes the free reign of natural law as well. Mutually exclusive."

Free reign of natural law has nothing to do with human free will unless natural law encroaches on human free will by means of causing misfortune, which in turn limits the human's free will. Such misfortunes caused by natural law that benefit literally no person should not be allowed to occur by an omnibenevolent deity, or else he is not fitting for the attribute.

[johhnycarlos]

To approach the context of Christ's sacrafice you need to compare it something else. Imagine a friend comes to stay with you. You come home from work and your friend says a bill collector came by and he covered it for you, no big deal. In order to thank him you would need to know the size of the bil. If it was postage due, no big deal. But if it was the IRS coming to claim 10 years of back taxes, you should probably begin to feel forever grateful and feel a need to repay him back.

[steviej321]

@johhnycarlos Your analogy doesn't work. You can't compare it to something else. We're talking about a supernatural, eternal, immortal being doing something that supposedly harmed himself, even though he possesses all those aforementioned traits. Therefore, God/Jesus didn't suffer anything in the longer-run.

[JesusFreakMathGeek6]

@steviej321 Btw I do enjoy your videos, so I subscribed, peace carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen based bi-pedal life form 8-)

[JesusFreakMathGeek6]

@steviej321 I will listen again later though

[JesusFreakMathGeek6]

@steviej321 The church referred to as a female would be pretty degrading to a man if he wrote it xaxaxa especially in that time frame. Other religions speak of an angel of light. The Bible mentions the universe expanding. Sorry I am typing as fast as I can as I listen to this. Thermodynamics is in scripture. Let me post a syllogism later and the problem with it. Have a blessed molecular day in three dimensional harmonic isotropic oscillations.

[JesusFreakMathGeek6]

@steviej321 You shouldn’t attach God with evil, pain and suffering. Where does the Bible contradict itself? Don't you think that if it was written by men wouldn't the church be referred to as a male and not a female? The Bible is the only book that talks about the absence of sex in the after life. If it was written by men then it would be otherwise.I can't dismiss the science in the scripture. The Bible tells the earth is round my friend and not like other religions say.

[cnrstn]

@steviej321

I enjoy our debates, and after seeing this comment, I had to answer it myself:

The only aspect I can see is Jesus became sin.. He became the actual compilation of all sin. And God, His Father, could not look upon Him. God had to turn His back on Jesus. This was the sacrifice.

[steviej321]

@johhnycarlos If God exists, I don't rebuke him for not limiting our free will. There are instances of misfortune that happen to everyone irrelevant to free will. 3rd world children starving to death, cancers, AIDS, homes burning down due to cooking accidents, etc. I could go on infinitely but you get the idea.

Actually, if God wishes to sanction free will he ought to limit such misfortunes completely.

Otherwise, "omnibenevolent" is not a proper attribute of this God.

[johhnycarlos]

@steviej321 all I read is "I don't undersand it, so it's crap."