She was too young to stand up and say 'Prove it' or 'Says you, what do the Hindus say?' or ' You should be ashamed of yourselves trying to scare 6 year olds' or simply say 'This is total bunk' and walk out. That is my concern. Teachers have to follow a curriculum, be police checked - then some person off the street can just come in and preach to your kids about anything because they can hide under the 'respect religion' banner. Anyway, my rant is over! peace.
- developed (they still believe in the tooth fairy) they are easier to convince. Anyway, if you are a decent parent you have already influenced their decision but they may also choose no religion and still be great people. Anyway all Im trying to say is I dont like child indoctrination even when dressed up 'cool'. We had a 'cool' evangelical puppet group visit my daughter's school and she came home confused saying 'she had a dirty soul and only jesus can clean it'. she was 6.
You are right, if you bring your kids up with good morals and manners but also to question things they would be unlikely to be antisocial citizens. The questioning of things is important I think, as many religions require total obedience and that what sickens me. It is telling that clerics preach at schools and not at the workplace because skeptic adults would ask too many awkward questions, children can be told any old bunk and since their 'bullshit detectors' are not fully
I never mentioned the teaching of morality, only religious indoctrination. Religion certainly has not the monopoly on morality, e.g. certain religions are openly homophobic or sexist. It is good to teach kids not to steal or hurt others but you dont need religion to back it up. I cant say morality is scientifically proven other than obviously a well balanced, equal, peace-loving, rational and just society is better than a regressive, fascist, bigoted, anti-intellectual one.
Respond to this video... "Ok, there are lots of philosophies and religions out there - Nazziism, Satanism, Christianity, Nihilism, etc... some involve loving your neighbor, others involve human sacrifice. They're all essentially the same. I am not going to influence your decision on the matter. Go ahead and pick one."
I don't believe in blind faith. I think it's important to teach kids what you believe to be true and make it clear to them that they have a choice in the matter. But it would be totally irresponsible not to try and influence them towards what you believe is the truth. It would be like telling them:
about kids, you don't consider it child abuse that we teach our kids morality - that there's such a thing as right and wrong. We teach them not to steal and not to be disrespectful. These are not objective truth's that can be scientifically proven. Following your logic, we shouldn't even impose morality on our kids. The fact of the matter is that we need to teach them something - and that something should be the worldview that we truly believe to be right.
@mussusbutley74 haha, ya... that is true. lot's of christians out there who would have a cow if they heard that i was saying anything nice about dawkins. i am a christian but i enjoy reading dawkins. he's a great writer. thoroughly enjoy his books! i think he's totally wrong about what he says on the topics of theology and philosophy but he's very entertaining.
@firefalldownmusic baloney? You must be a christian then, if your child had to listen the ranting of say, islamic clerics you would perhaps change your tune. Dawkins is indeed a fine biologist but be careful here, he isnt a creationist and if any of your evangelical 'rock' bands hear you openly admire him they'd be upset. Peace.
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She was too young to stand up and say 'Prove it' or 'Says you, what do the Hindus say?' or ' You should be ashamed of yourselves trying to scare 6 year olds' or simply say 'This is total bunk' and walk out. That is my concern. Teachers have to follow a curriculum, be police checked - then some person off the street can just come in and preach to your kids about anything because they can hide under the 'respect religion' banner. Anyway, my rant is over! peace.
mussusbutley74 6 months ago
@mussusbutley74
- developed (they still believe in the tooth fairy) they are easier to convince. Anyway, if you are a decent parent you have already influenced their decision but they may also choose no religion and still be great people. Anyway all Im trying to say is I dont like child indoctrination even when dressed up 'cool'. We had a 'cool' evangelical puppet group visit my daughter's school and she came home confused saying 'she had a dirty soul and only jesus can clean it'. she was 6.
mussusbutley74 6 months ago
@firefalldownmusic
You are right, if you bring your kids up with good morals and manners but also to question things they would be unlikely to be antisocial citizens. The questioning of things is important I think, as many religions require total obedience and that what sickens me. It is telling that clerics preach at schools and not at the workplace because skeptic adults would ask too many awkward questions, children can be told any old bunk and since their 'bullshit detectors' are not fully
mussusbutley74 6 months ago
@firefalldownmusic
I never mentioned the teaching of morality, only religious indoctrination. Religion certainly has not the monopoly on morality, e.g. certain religions are openly homophobic or sexist. It is good to teach kids not to steal or hurt others but you dont need religion to back it up. I cant say morality is scientifically proven other than obviously a well balanced, equal, peace-loving, rational and just society is better than a regressive, fascist, bigoted, anti-intellectual one.
mussusbutley74 6 months ago
Respond to this video... "Ok, there are lots of philosophies and religions out there - Nazziism, Satanism, Christianity, Nihilism, etc... some involve loving your neighbor, others involve human sacrifice. They're all essentially the same. I am not going to influence your decision on the matter. Go ahead and pick one."
firefalldownmusic 6 months ago
Respond to this video...
I don't believe in blind faith. I think it's important to teach kids what you believe to be true and make it clear to them that they have a choice in the matter. But it would be totally irresponsible not to try and influence them towards what you believe is the truth. It would be like telling them:
firefalldownmusic 6 months ago
Respond to this video...
about kids, you don't consider it child abuse that we teach our kids morality - that there's such a thing as right and wrong. We teach them not to steal and not to be disrespectful. These are not objective truth's that can be scientifically proven. Following your logic, we shouldn't even impose morality on our kids. The fact of the matter is that we need to teach them something - and that something should be the worldview that we truly believe to be right.
firefalldownmusic 6 months ago
@mussusbutley74 haha, ya... that is true. lot's of christians out there who would have a cow if they heard that i was saying anything nice about dawkins. i am a christian but i enjoy reading dawkins. he's a great writer. thoroughly enjoy his books! i think he's totally wrong about what he says on the topics of theology and philosophy but he's very entertaining.
firefalldownmusic 6 months ago
@firefalldownmusic baloney? You must be a christian then, if your child had to listen the ranting of say, islamic clerics you would perhaps change your tune. Dawkins is indeed a fine biologist but be careful here, he isnt a creationist and if any of your evangelical 'rock' bands hear you openly admire him they'd be upset. Peace.
mussusbutley74 6 months ago
@mussusbutley74 child abuse? that's such richard dawkins baloney. great biologist, pathetic philosopher.
firefalldownmusic 6 months ago