Greg Koukl - No Global Flood?

Taken from our blog, Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason talks about the idea that there wasn't a global flood. For more information, visit http://www.str.org.

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[Elpha22]

wow, I don't think I've ever seen so much special pleading and "re-interpretation" of Biblical scripture in a very long time

[jarchd]

But that's mot what the Bible says. It talks about the WHOLE EARTH and clearly states it! Also, how did those eight people move all the poop?

[clemstevenson]

@Jayoung1000 Suppressing the truth is human nature. If you checked out my channel, you'd find some pretty bizarre stuff. It is weird, yet it is really happening. I know for myself that the British authorities are trying to use disinformation to keep this stuff out of the public domain, thus not making it too obvious that they want it suppressed. Sure, Winston Churchill had a world war to justify his part in the secrecy issue, but even Churchill realised that it would kill religious beliefs.

[Jayoung1000]

@clemstevenson Sounds very interesting. That makes alot of sense. Not to overly characterize the religious (some of them, like Greg Koukl are brilliant) but many of them have a way of suppressing things that stand in contrast to their beliefs. Think of cosmology, biological evolution, neuroscience etc. So it doesn't surprise me that some find it necessary to suppress these stories. The wise religious person however would try to find a way to incorporate ancient floods with their stories.

[clemstevenson]

@Jayoung1000 Apparently, the truth behind the great flood myth had been uncovered in 1931, and there was even evidence of sedimentary deposits to back it up. Yet I'd never even heard of the discovery until 2011. In other words, there has been a deliberate 80-year effort to bury the truth about the great flood, for very obvious reasons. Various religions depend upon the Ark story being true, and disproof of its veracity further weakens the religious authoritarian stance.

[Jayoung1000]

@clemstevenson That's my point. It goes back to something that was real and it helps us to understand how various cultures interpreted these events. Its very interesting to me at least. I would agree with you however that the stuff about God and every animal is just myth, but it is myth that allows us to get into the heads of early man in that area.

[clemstevenson]

@Jayoung1000 I don't see why the roots of the flood mythology should not be considered. Apparently, the Old Testament Noah myth was based upon an ancient Mesopotamian flood that really did happen.  Archaeologists discovered in 1931 that there had been an unusually severe flood thousands of years ago, caused by the Euphrates bursting its banks. The Noah's Ark story matched that of the ancient texts fairly closely, except that this flood was only a local disaster.

[Jayoung1000]

@clemstevenson I agree that it's mythology, but I think its worthy of consideration because there may have been a flood like this in ancient times that the Bible story was exaggerated from. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying some 600 year old man was told by God to build a boat... But perhaps something really did happen that led to the Bible story. And that in and of itself merits at least some study.

[sswave4dave]

I personally came to terms with the fact that the OT stories deserve to be taken as mythology, which inevitably meant there was no reason to view Jesus as God or NT stories as factually accurate. The OT stories just don't stand up period, and the NT stories just don't stand without the OT stories.

[sswave4dave]

I just don't get the motivation for going to such lengths to defend these stories. How does one truly perceive that their faith is set on a solid foundation, when their faith is set on these crumbly silly old stories? I think it's that their faith rests entirely on the person of Jesus Christ, but they recognize that he comes as a package deal with all these other OT stories. If the stories get tossed, then the whole basis for Jesus has been tossed, and that's not an option for them.