Former Atheist Proves God With Early Christian Writings & Lee Strobel's Books (1/2)
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@CtheWolfe That wouldn't surprise me at all.
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@HonestMan395 I do believe its a complete refutation of everything Lee Strobels book The Case for Christ.
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@CtheWolfe I haven't seen that one, but I'll check it out.
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@HonestMan395 Have you read "The Case Against the Case for Christ" by Robert M. Price. I had been considering picking that book up. Just wondering if you have any insight on it.
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@CtheWolfe It's not just the New Testament. I've been studying the bible and biblical history for over 50 yrs. What we have found out about Ancient Egyptian and Jewish history. It turns out that nearly all the major stories in the Old testament are just that, stories, with no basis in fact.
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@HonestMan395 And does a very poor job of it too. I find it amusing when I read apologists trying to rationalize these points. I have heard it was one of the sons of Herod(neither of which were king). Or that Quirinius held office in Syria before(but he never)... or that he was governing in some capacity.... in which case why not name the actual governor of Syria? Its all rather silly attempts to bend truth.
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@CtheWolfe There's also an interesting aspect of the census story. The one that Quirinius was ordered to hold was only for Judea. As Nazareth was not in Judea, Neither joseph nor Mary would have been required to attend. Further more. Roman Census's were, in any case, conducted very much as they are today and everyone was counted where they lived. Nobody was expected to travel.
The whole nativity story is a myth made up by the early church to fit the supposed old testament prophesies.
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@HonestMan395 Ah yeah I have looked into that one to. Herod's slaughter of the Rabbi's was well recorded; but no mention of the children at all. Also if you take this into account Jesus must have been 1-2 before Herod died even. I find it unlikely that Herod gave this order and died immediately as well. So that puts further strain on an already large gap in the years between the historical events of the gospels.
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@CtheWolfe That's the one. Even the Catholic Encyclopaedia says that it is something that is hard to reconcile. but it also includes the slaughter of the innocents which also has no evidence to support it.
I've had a few varying reasons given to me, but none of them have stood up to close examination.
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@HonestMan395 I was reading some of your comments and you touched on how the nativity never happened. Is this due to the gap between when Herod died and, when Publius Sulpicius Quirinius was appointed to office in Syria and the Taxation or Census that followed? The gap is something like 10-12 years between the "historical" events in Matthew 2 and Luke 2.
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KuwaitF22 1 week ago 20
@KeusFrench 3/3. As for the life and miracles of Jesus, (which, by the way, all predate Jesus,) including the crucifixion and the resurrection have no verification in any contemporary writings other than the bible itself and Writings derived from the bible.
There were over 40 writers and chroniclers around during his lifetime, but not one mentions him even in passing.
Don’t you find that strange, considering all the amazing things he is supposed to have done?
HonestMan395 4 days ago 6