FAKE Austrian Philharmonic 1oz GOLD Coin

Another coin from this batch was assayed at just over .900 fine. When cut in half, a secondary metal can be seen.
Correct dimensions should be.....
Weight: 31.103g
37.0 mm
2.0 mm thick
this coin is too thin but everything else is correct

Philharmonic design
The obverse depicts the great organ in the Golden Hall in Vienna's Musikverein Concert Hall, the home of the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra. Also stamped on the obverse on the current year coin is the face value 100 Euros, the year of mintage, the purity (.9999 fine) and the weight (1 unze, or ounce). Older Vienna Philharmonics carry a face value of 2000 Schillings. The reverse of the gold Philharmonic coins has an array of musical instruments, keeping with the theme of the coin.

One-ounce Philharmonics are larger in diameter than standard 22-karat gold bullion coins, 37 mm as compared to 32.7 mm for Gold Eagles and Krugerrands. Philharmonics have a thickness of 2 mm, versus 2.83 mm for Gold Eagles and Krugerrands.

From the Austrian Mint, Philharmonics are packaged ten coins to a tube. The tubes are a rigid plastic and are sealed with a blue snap-on lid. Secondary market Philharmonics often are still in the original tubes, but occasionally they are put in secondary market containers.

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[GovermentOfLies]

Where was this coin purchased? If all markings and writing are in right place this a very sophisticated knock off using partial true gold? I would suspect mint. If the United States Treasury faked gold bars then it would be a small thing if a mint did it. The governments are trying to control the price and demand for real physical gold and if desperate could do any thing. Most knock off are made to fool the untrained eye. Much work and many hours went into the production off these coins.

[RainstormGB]

@GovermentOfLies yep a bit like

the

SUPER Dollar

[enacku]

How is this a fake coin, if it weighs the same, the diameter is the same. How can it be thinner, if another alloy was put in, basically every stable alloy is lighter than gold. So if you put a lighter metal in it, and the width is smaller, it would be lighter not the same! Me thinks the guy crushed the coin a little bit with the tool since gold is soft, and it was off by a little bit, or just measured it wrong.

[LeahcimWolf]

I'd love to see the "proof" of the .900 fine that you mention.

This appears to be a completely legitimate coin. You completely misused the tool and did not measure the coin's depth at its thickest point.

I'd also like to know how someone went through the trouble for a multi million dollar engraving machine, the foundry equipment and alloy metals just to make a 'fake' coin that's worth about 10% less than the real thing.

[Greendawg001]

Dude that coin is real, you are using the caliper completely wrong. first off its not level on the coin, second its not on the highest point of the coin and third digital calipers suck. you are much better off using a regular caliper that does 1000ths of an inch.

[superhawkn]

sweet you made out nice! silver is da stuff

[ThomasCrown79]

It's a Silver Philharmonic that's been Gold Plated...

[willZhatesU]

..listen to sound when the coin drops, it dosent sound like gold, a gold coin sounds rich when it PINGS

[TheAllSeeyingGuy]

@EvanQuinn07 Counterfeiting phils would be impossible anyway. You would have to use a tungsten core (tungsten itself is too brittle to be stamped) and then gold plate it so thick that you can actually get a accurate image on the coin, the unique reeded edges would also have to be made perfectly.

The phil is actually one of the HARDEST coins to counterfeit, a Krugerrand (22k) would be a much smarter choice. It's counterfeit-proof if measured correctly, this coin wasn't measured correctly.

[anthcybo]

look right to me, if you're convinced it's fake i'd be glad to take it off your hands.

[jgmetals81]

and you really scratched it up real good at the end there too....as you mis-measured....congrats dummy.

[jgmetals81]

...notice how the bottom edge of the caliper didnt reach the bottom of the coin when he measure thickness....so it didnt catch the RIM..which is the measure of thickness. Secondly...use your head doofus....a fake that weighs in correctly would be OVERSIZE (unless using something MORE dense than gold...doubtful. Your diameter was off 4/100ths of a MILLIMETER (normal variance) and you failed to measure thickness correctly with the caliper being improperly positioned off the bottom rim.

[kookaburrakookaburra]

@RainstormGB Can we see the photos of the one that has been cut in half to show the secondary metal??

[EvanQuinn07]

@TheAllSeeyingGuy the coin is only 400ths of a millimeter off in diameter and it weighs a full 31.1 grams....it ISN'T a counterfeit, and according to the Austrian Mint, 1.65-2.0mm IS within parameters of a true Philharmonic.....