John Piper - What if God doesnt exist?
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@scotthorlbeck oh well man i just want to tell you one thing i bet you sick of youtube debates and arguments , but i just wana tell you when you do ur reading and researching dont take a side before you begin ! when you read something dont read it just to criticize it although criticizing is need sometimes but its not the point of it ... may i ask what made you change you mind ? like whats the point thats when you thats it ? that enough if u dont mind saying
abu5alaf91 2 weeks ago
@abu5alaf91 I once found all my hope in Christ too. I wasn't happy to conclude that Christianity is a cult. My "deconversion" was a miserable experience, but I had to be honest with myself about my doubts, after being exposed to more reasonable explanations for everything that once made me believe in Christ as Lord.
scotthorlbeck 2 weeks ago
@scotthorlbeck hmmm okay ! thats your choice and everyone decided whats best for him and yeah i did watch ut channel you got some interesting ... ideas but all ... or most your vids you are taking a side in discussion the issue ! which you should do while critical thinking ! right ? and yeah i do that and i started my believe from zero and decided to find out on my own by reading and all and now i tell people about Christ and the hope i found in him :)
abu5alaf91 2 weeks ago
@abu5alaf91 One comment can't fully explain it (check out my channel for more), but to summarize: I finally realized all those prophecies that Jesus supposedly fulfilled are little more than literary allusions, many of which weren't even prophecies in the first place (e.g. Psalms, etc.). In other words, I made one critical mistake you should never make when you're in a cult: I decided to think critically about the magical claims of the cult leader.
scotthorlbeck 2 weeks ago
@scotthorlbeck and why is that ?\
abu5alaf91 2 weeks ago
Lord, Liar or Lunatic are not the only three options.. there's also Legend. Nothing was written down about Jesus for 30-60 years after he died, which leaves plenty of time for people to have elaborated and added stuff to the story... stuff that older pagan gods did... like walk on water, being born of a virgin on Dec 25th, turning water into wine... these myths all pre date Jesus... but this guy has waaayyyy to much emotional attachment to his imaginary friend Jesus to understand
TheGizmoskate 3 weeks ago
Haha... his response is insane. "Historical arguments, philosophical arguments and apologetic reasoning can't answer the question 'What if God is not real" ... no shit
If the Bible is "truth", than you should be able to do all three ! (not have to resort to appeals to emotion and logical fallacies)
You can't KNOW something by listening to your 'heart'. Your heart pumps blood, and it takes evidence, logic and reason to rationally accept the existence of something, stupid.
TheGizmoskate 3 weeks ago
I prayed that prayer. I cried out to God to "open my eyes to the glory of Christ in the Bible."
Today I am an atheist.
scotthorlbeck 3 weeks ago
@AvadaKedavra1138 2/2. Believing in a god, for which there is no evidence other than an ancient book that is demonstrably inaccurate even from a historical standpoint requires a leap of pure blind faith, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
William Lane Craig stated that even if he was presented with evidence that what he believed was wrong, he'd still believe it.
That is precisely what John Piper is asking you to do.
As for your "Spock" quote. Religion isn't logical.
Darwinsman 1 month ago
@Darwinsman That's not what he's saying at all (at least, not the latter part). He is saying that analytical processes are only capable of so much, which is true. That doesn't mean "switching off your mind and let[ting] it freewheel into a state where delusion becomes reality." Let's go back to his analogy; is his belief about his wife "freewheeling into a delusional state"? No; as Spock said "logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
AvadaKedavra1138 1 month ago