@melonbarmonster As far as Japanese Nationalism is concerned, that is WHY TKD started as karate (karate-do, actually, before you "correct" me). Indigenous Koran MAs, along with the rest of Korean culture during the Japanese occupation, was repressed, causing knowledge of many Korean martial arts to largely die out. But I'm tired, so I shall "calm down" now.
I thouht it was Funakoshi used "empty-hand way" in order to popularize karate (Shotokan, in his case) on the Japanese mainland. I don't know Funakoshi's political beliefs, and I'm not saying he originated the idea of using the "empty-hand," (my explanation of which differs from yours only in that you provide the Japanese characters to illustrate what I said about the dual interpretations of "kara." Thank you for showing what I meant) You can skip the LOL's. We get it. You're quite smart.
@melonbarmonster Well played, Mr, Melonbarmaster, IF that's your real name. But, seriously, I don't see that what you said is anything but a clarification - not a correction - of what I said. Yes you have a more intimate knowledge and facts at your command, but I still don't see that they've done anything but provide more detail to what I said, rather than a refutation. I think it may be the term Shotokan that's causing the problem. If I just said "karate" would that help?
@melonbarmonster The nationalists also believed they were a divine superior race destined to conquer the world and kill and enslave as much of the planet as they possibly could with the help of their German Nazi and Italian Fascist allies. Believe who you will.
TKD was never Shotokan karete. That's a rumor stemming from General Choi having learned Shotokan in Japan during WWII. TKD was created by combining a dozen MA schools in Korea including Chinese MA's and indigenous Korean MA's. The Shotokan school actually defected from the unification under TKD and maintained their own schools which is why Tangsoodo still exists in Korea. The rift between General Choi and the Tangsoodo crowd is well documented.
If you listen closely to the announcer, he says "Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan".
TraditionalTKD 7 months ago
It says, Dang Soo Do, not Tae Kwon Do. Back then, Koreans did not use the word, Taekwondo. I'm a Korean by the way.
tshk5271221 7 months ago
@Raitsogen We punch to the face, too (we're just not supposed to.) ;-) How best to explain "what" I am. Er. "Pre-Kukkiwon, non-WTF, Ji Di Kwon."
(In case you were wondering, or care. I recall you once telling me you did Moo Duk Kwon and I don't believe I ever told you my own background.)
katotheother 10 months ago
@Raitsogen
katotheother 10 months ago
@melonbarmonster As far as Japanese Nationalism is concerned, that is WHY TKD started as karate (karate-do, actually, before you "correct" me). Indigenous Koran MAs, along with the rest of Korean culture during the Japanese occupation, was repressed, causing knowledge of many Korean martial arts to largely die out. But I'm tired, so I shall "calm down" now.
katotheother 11 months ago
I thouht it was Funakoshi used "empty-hand way" in order to popularize karate (Shotokan, in his case) on the Japanese mainland. I don't know Funakoshi's political beliefs, and I'm not saying he originated the idea of using the "empty-hand," (my explanation of which differs from yours only in that you provide the Japanese characters to illustrate what I said about the dual interpretations of "kara." Thank you for showing what I meant) You can skip the LOL's. We get it. You're quite smart.
katotheother 11 months ago
@melonbarmonster - Monster, I mean.
katotheother 11 months ago
@melonbarmonster Well played, Mr, Melonbarmaster, IF that's your real name. But, seriously, I don't see that what you said is anything but a clarification - not a correction - of what I said. Yes you have a more intimate knowledge and facts at your command, but I still don't see that they've done anything but provide more detail to what I said, rather than a refutation. I think it may be the term Shotokan that's causing the problem. If I just said "karate" would that help?
katotheother 11 months ago
@melonbarmonster The nationalists also believed they were a divine superior race destined to conquer the world and kill and enslave as much of the planet as they possibly could with the help of their German Nazi and Italian Fascist allies. Believe who you will.
melonbarmonster 11 months ago
TKD was never Shotokan karete. That's a rumor stemming from General Choi having learned Shotokan in Japan during WWII. TKD was created by combining a dozen MA schools in Korea including Chinese MA's and indigenous Korean MA's. The Shotokan school actually defected from the unification under TKD and maintained their own schools which is why Tangsoodo still exists in Korea. The rift between General Choi and the Tangsoodo crowd is well documented.
melonbarmonster 11 months ago