A Case for Christianity Video #3: From Deism to Theism

A Case for Christianity Video #3: From Deism to Theism - In which I argue that the evidence looks like human beings are related to the cosmic mind.

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[ackmonra]

1. The universe isn't nessecerily fine tuned.

We have no evidence for that.

2. We've no evidence for the creation of living organisms. None.

3. Mathematics is discriptive of reality; that it is a useful tool isn't in question.

"My theist statement is Its valid if its shown to be preferable"

Preferable? to whom?

Who says Love/Conciousness/Intelligence is part of being Divine - the person making up what divine is?

We don't know if there is anything divine.

[robvandjdk]

1. Yes we do. I have a favorited video by atheist Paul Davies where he says the universe is bio friendly. bio-friendly = fine-tuned This is the consensus of cosmologists.

2. The Paley argument is still strong for the simplest living cells.

3. To 20 places of the decimal, mathematical laws govern reality

4. On the spectrum dirt/animals/humans/divine the properties appear to be divine.

I can't continue this conversation. I have RL issues to deal with and won't be on YouTube for months.

[robvandjdk]

Thanks for your time.

[54321Adela]

@GenghisKhan44 You missed the point.

[GenghisKhan44]

@54321Adela So we differ little from animals. Does that mean we SHOULD be like animals, then?

I say "no" on the grounds that science is unable to answer "should" questions.

[54321Adela]

Love, consciousness and language are not exclusively human. Free will probably does not even exist and morality can be explained by evolution. But nice try. I suggest you read something about animals to know how little we differ from them :))

[ackmonra]

1. The consensus of guessing humans.

Forgive me if i'm not impressed.

When we have evidence for either :

A. A fine tuner

or

B. Mechanism of fine-tuning.

Then i'll be forced to admit fine-tuning.

2. The simplest MODERN living cells. All cells are backed by billions of years of evolution.

3. But not exactly. Why not exactly?

4. The spectrum is made-up by you; it isn't scientificly verifyable and is therefore not scientific evidence.

[ackmonra]

I'm sorry Robert but this gets nowhere near anywhere moving from A to B as the video intended.

You've just made giant assumptions based on what is now obvious to me as your personal bias.

You'll make leaps of faith anywhere and everywhere in place of actual steps that other people could follow. You've been doing it more and more latley and i suppose i shouldn't be surprised that you turned out not to have the goods.