Greg Koukl - Sin in Heaven?

Taken from our blog, Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason answers the question "Why couldn't God have created us like we'll be in Heaven?" For more information, visit http://www.str.org.

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[Nyarl3]

Interesting. Kind of a silly question, but I've found myself wondering this too. I just thought, "Well, if Satan lived in Heaven, and was, presumably, a sinless angel, and yet could step out of his perfection to sin, why couldn't we, when we get there, likewise have the possibility of sin?" In my lack of understanding it seemed very distressing to me to think that even after death sin will be something to have to fight. But this video gives a good answer. Thanks!

[yakkenyi]

1 john 3,4 sin is the transgression of the law. so keep the law ,statues and commadements and you make it in to the kingdom, if you dont keep the law you wont make it to the kingdom period. Satan did sin thats why he was cast out from heaven. and stop that lie about anyone going to heaven, the kingdom will be on earth here. you are unlearn in scriptures, stop giving people advice

[JoshuaTrio]

Is there freewill in heaven? you seem to be suggesting that your outrage at child rape makes you a "gooder" person and therefore child rape has it's place! the more outraged you are the "gooder" you are, but your god says "hey it doesn't matter if you are outraged or not over child rape, in fact it doesn't matter if you rape children, actually it's better if you DO rape children just say sorry after then I will hold you in higher esteem than anyone who hasn't raped a child

[rofyle]

@RicoRicanNYC

Who said anything about sitting back and watching the fireworks? This is your assertion, not the Bible's. If, as you say, God allowed us to continue onward fro the sake of all the good that was to come, then why did He purposely make the cross a stumbling block to most people? (1 Peter 2:8)

You believe God's purpose in glorifying His name to be something stupid and evil, do you? Interesting. Satan does too.

[RicoRicanNYC]

To say that God deliberately created human life to fall into sin for selfish reasons that would appear to be stupid and evil is just plain crazy and goes against the idea that God is holy and pure, just exc... The bible does say that God knows the beginning to the end so yes he knew we would SIN and planed steps ahead of the times.

[RicoRicanNYC]

@rofyle I saw that video long time ago::: You said "YES! GOD CREATED US TO FALL INTO SIN" This would be false, God knew that we WOULD fall into sin but didn't create us to fall into sin then sat back and enjoy the fire works!! My point is that God allowed us to continue onward for the sake of all the good that was to come out of creation, if God would have only seen nothing but bad then I'm sure he would not have allowed this existence to continue. That's only one example .

[rofyle]

@RicoRicanNYC

Please demonstrate how anything I've said goes against Scripture. Your saying so does not make it so. I see you have favorited James White (DrOakley). You should have taken the time to actually listen to what he has to say. Here is a video from him that will set you straight. /watch?v=1A3Sy7-t0Rk&playnext_­from=TL&videos=yHmbjoreD90

[RicoRicanNYC]

Your saying that God is EVIL!!! Much of what your saying goes against scripture!!!! God created us to follow him however because of free will and the fall of Satan we ended up falling for a lie. Your view makes God look selfish and pathetic and that's not the same God I serve... I serve the Holy pure God of Scripture who has allowed us to choose our own path... God creating us to fall from the beginning is a lie from Satan and I never saw that in the bible... we fell on our own!!!

[rofyle]

@RicoRicanNYC

YES! GOD CREATED US TO FALL INTO SIN SO THAT HE COULD THEN GLORIFY HIS SON BY SENDING HIM TO DIE AND RISE AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT DESERVE IT, CANNOT DESERVE IT, AND CAN DO NOTHING TO EARN IT. You call that unfair. You say it is unfair because you want the opportunity to glorify your own name. You want a big pat on the back from God. Well, you won't get it! He doesn't care about your glory. He cares about His. That is why the first word of the Gospel is repent.

[rofyle]

@RicoRicanNYC

You have this idea in your head that mankind is the crown jewel of God's universe. You have the idea that the earth was made for man. No, my friend. God created the universe so that He might glorify His Son. Christ crucified, resurrected and ascended is the crown jewel of God's universe. The earth was always to play backdrop and stage to His glorification. You and I, we are but worms dependent on His grace. If man is so free, then why isn't he free not to sin?