@oldmac1 I was going to bring up the siren issue, too. Montana? Not too many people live up there. Try using this armored Suburban in LA or NYC with those lights. See what happesn.
Private security use, as a universal standard, regular amber colored lights. Wig Wag with clear lenses is illegal to use on public roads. Those flash patterns with headlights are illegal. It appears that all this stuff is illegal, it is the punishment is what varies.
@1STACCS So you dont' think I'm suggesting people GET these lights, let me say it again. It's a bad idea. Really bad. You will look like you are trying to impersonate an officer and -- whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony, it's wrong.
However, in private security and protection, it is not uncommon to have clear strobes, wig-wags and airhorns, for instance. All are completely legal to HAVE in Montana and most states, but laws about their USE vary.
@1STACCS I really do know what I'm talking about here. I've researched it extensively. Blanket statements like yours just aren't helpful. People need to check their state laws. In MT, it is a "citable moving violation" to operate emergency vehicle lights (red and or blue) on a public right of way. The fine varies, but it is only a fine. If someone is clearly using the lights to impersonate an officer, they'll face that charge. Having the lights is a BAD idea.
@1STACCS. Wrong. As I said, it varies: Montana Code: 30-12-503. Impersonation of officer -- penalties. A person who in any way impersonates a person charged with enforcement of parts 1 through 5 by the department, by the use of its seal or a counterfeit of its seal or in any other manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than $100 or more than $500 or imprisoned for not more than 1 year or both fined and imprisoned. "
@oldmac1 In all 50 US states, if it is illegal to operate emergency lights colored for police and fire whiel the vehicle is motion or idle on public throughfares by civilians. You can't get around that.
The drive will face more than a traffic violation. He/she/it will face felony charges. The charges might not stick in court, but there will be an arrest over this issue.
BTW-If the driver is using the lights to clear traffic or to help himself impersonate a cop, that is a felony.
@1STACCS easy big fella. In most states (these are state laws and they do vary widely) it is illegal to "operate" colored lights that are designated for police or emergency vehicles while a vehicle is in motion or on a public roadway. The operator will, in most cases, face nothing more than a traffic violation. If they are using the lights to impersonate an officer, the charge can be more serious, but typically NOT a felony. Is it smart to have these? No. Stupid. Asking for trouble.
@1STACCS I'll share some info to your profile, if that's ok. probably better and easier to to it that way. Check your messages
oldmac1 1 year ago
@oldmac1 I was going to bring up the siren issue, too. Montana? Not too many people live up there. Try using this armored Suburban in LA or NYC with those lights. See what happesn.
Private security use, as a universal standard, regular amber colored lights. Wig Wag with clear lenses is illegal to use on public roads. Those flash patterns with headlights are illegal. It appears that all this stuff is illegal, it is the punishment is what varies.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS So you dont' think I'm suggesting people GET these lights, let me say it again. It's a bad idea. Really bad. You will look like you are trying to impersonate an officer and -- whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony, it's wrong.
However, in private security and protection, it is not uncommon to have clear strobes, wig-wags and airhorns, for instance. All are completely legal to HAVE in Montana and most states, but laws about their USE vary.
oldmac1 1 year ago
@1STACCS I really do know what I'm talking about here. I've researched it extensively. Blanket statements like yours just aren't helpful. People need to check their state laws. In MT, it is a "citable moving violation" to operate emergency vehicle lights (red and or blue) on a public right of way. The fine varies, but it is only a fine. If someone is clearly using the lights to impersonate an officer, they'll face that charge. Having the lights is a BAD idea.
oldmac1 1 year ago
@oldmac1 Even if what you "stated" is correct, do you want to spend a year in the can?
1STACCS 1 year ago
@oldmac1 Go try it. See what happens. I bring you a pie form the local pizzeria-if they let me in to give it to you.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS. Wrong. As I said, it varies: Montana Code: 30-12-503. Impersonation of officer -- penalties. A person who in any way impersonates a person charged with enforcement of parts 1 through 5 by the department, by the use of its seal or a counterfeit of its seal or in any other manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than $100 or more than $500 or imprisoned for not more than 1 year or both fined and imprisoned. "
oldmac1 1 year ago
@oldmac1 In all 50 US states, if it is illegal to operate emergency lights colored for police and fire whiel the vehicle is motion or idle on public throughfares by civilians. You can't get around that.
The drive will face more than a traffic violation. He/she/it will face felony charges. The charges might not stick in court, but there will be an arrest over this issue.
BTW-If the driver is using the lights to clear traffic or to help himself impersonate a cop, that is a felony.
1STACCS 1 year ago
@1STACCS easy big fella. In most states (these are state laws and they do vary widely) it is illegal to "operate" colored lights that are designated for police or emergency vehicles while a vehicle is in motion or on a public roadway. The operator will, in most cases, face nothing more than a traffic violation. If they are using the lights to impersonate an officer, the charge can be more serious, but typically NOT a felony. Is it smart to have these? No. Stupid. Asking for trouble.
oldmac1 1 year ago
It is illegal to install red and blue emergency lights on civilian cars. You face Felony charges if your client gets caught.
1STACCS 1 year ago