Does John 3:16 Refute Calvinism? (3of3)

People who don't believe that God chose people to be saved before the foundation of the world not based on anything they had done good or bad usually appeal to John 3:16 for their case. Does John 3:16 really teach that Jesus died for the entire world? Well, in a sense, yes, and, in a sense, no. Watch the video to find out.


(Posted with permission of CrossTV
Part of the series "The Sovereignty of God" http://www.crosstv.com )

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• john
• 316
• universalism
• calvinism
• arminianism
• conditional
• election

[paulo3809]

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[theearstohear]

John 3:16 does not say "whoever DOES believe WILL be saved" as you assert. A closer look at verb tense reveals that it says "the one BELIEVING HAS everlasting life." These verbs are both in the present tense. Now, what you say IS true, they also WILL be saved in the final judgement, but that is a systematic theological inference based on other precepts like John 10:28 and it is not what John 3:16 says by itself. Thus John 3:16 is an assurance text, not an offer.

[sjennings86]

Great video! To God be the glory!

[bullmoose1969]

Joe Nunzio lol

[Charliemackmack]

@TruthJockey You've got several serious flaws in that argument there: Jesus *actually* died, with even external non-Christian sources attesting so (see Antiquites, Josephus). He didn't "shed" anything, but actually *took on* human flesh. He wasn't "born again into Spirit", even a cursory read of the post-Resurrection events in the Gospels (and also 1 Cor. 15) show a *PHYSICAL* Christ, with a *PERFECTED* body. He wasn't "spirit", but a miraculous, perfected being.

[Charliemackmack]

@TruthJockey Um, no. First of all, he *actually* died, which is something even external witnesses attest to (Josephus, Antiquities), and he wasn't "born into Spirit". 1 Corinthians 15, plus the post-resurrection accounts display a PHYSICAL Jesus, with a PERFECTED physical body, continuing to display His miraculous powers, albeit for different reasons (this time validating His resurrection to His disciples).

[MrHead1972]

That Was A Beautiful Story That You Just Told Us. Can We Hear The One About Goldie Locks & The 3 Bears Next?

[BloodSweatTiers]

@LaneCh but isn't that still doing something? There's still the act of, giving up controle so to say. 

[TruthJockey]

@rrusco Lady, I'm sure you mean well, but ALL the Gods, ALL the Heavens, ALL the Hells are in YOU - it's as simple as that! If you're thinking Jesus is up in the clouds somewhere then you're missing the point...he died (metaphorically), a man shedding his ways of the materialistic, egotistic, animalistic ways - RESURRECTING himself, born again into Spirit. This is the same allegorical message told EVERYWHERE... from the Freemasons to Platonists to the Pythagoreans. The sheep get the exoteric!