Is Jesus God? - Ahmed Deedat Vs Eric Bock 15 of 17

And they say: "None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." Sura 2 Verse 111

'Is Jesus God?' - Ahmed Deedat vs. Eric B. Bock

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[jorsak]

@Abdelmajid22 A simple question for you: Uthman burned variants. This is an indisputable fact of Islam. Question, did Utham burn correct and uncorrupted versions of the Qur'an or did he burn variants?

If he burned corruptions, the your claim that the Bible was corrupted, is meaningless as the Qur'an experienced the same path. If he burned uncorrupted versions... well, you get the idea.

[jorsak]

@Abdelmajid22 Every "Corruption" you have in mind is a fabrication of your teachers.

God, as God, is fully capable of protecting his word and to insinuate otherwise demeans the character of God.

[jorsak]

@Abdelmajid22 Islam contradicts the law (as I have already demonstrated conclusively) and Islam contradicts Jesus himself directly.

Jesus REPEATEDLY stated that he came to die (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34)

Jesus REPEATEDLY stated HOW he would die by crucifixion (Matthew 20:19, 26:2)

Jesus told you EXACTLY WHY he must die (Matthew 26:28)

and yet, Islam contradicts this all.

[jorsak]

@jorsak If God simply "Forgives" sin without adhering to his law, then he has #1. contradicted himself and #2. made himself a terrible judge. God is a perfect judge and is also perfectly merciful at the same time. Only through the cross is perfect justice and perfect mercy seen.

[jorsak]

@Abdelmajid22 Is it my opinion? The law requires sacrifice for sin. Fact (Leviticus 16:15-16, 17:11) Do you sacrifice for your sins?

You then ask, "A human cries, dies, has hunger wants to drink, has lusts, do you consider that a god?"

What you, and Mr. Deedat, fail to realize is that the Messiah is both FULLY God AND Fully human. Scripture says this plainly. (Isaiah 9:6, Philippians 2:5-7)

You then ask, "Why God needs to kill himself..." The law requires sacrifice for sin. (Cont.)

[Abdelmajid22]

@jorsak and another verse from the quran for you: (verse: 22:47) Do they not travel through the land, so that their hearts (and minds) may thus learn wisdom and their ears may thus learn to hear? Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts.

[Abdelmajid22]

@jorsak Allah swt has spoken to you in that verse and many others. I am not in my right as a muslim to discuss with you about the bible. I believe in your bible as a believe also in the torrah but your books are corrupted and only allah knows what is still true and what is not true anymore in the bible. The verse that i have given you is the only thing i can give you as a muslim. Enough said may allah swt guide you the right path.

[Abdelmajid22]

@jorsak Qur'an 3:64-71 Surah Ale-'Imran (The Family of 'Imran)

Say: "O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back say: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's will)."

[Abdelmajid22]

@jorsak look islam didnt came with a new message or a new religion. It just confirmed what it is the torra and the bibel. It is the same message it is only you people of the book that have changed the message of god. so dont come to me with your story about that we contradict the law of god it is you people that contradict it. and if you think i talk rubish i would like to tell you abut the next surah (verse) of the quran.

[Abdelmajid22]

@jorsak Islam doesnt contradict nothing. It is your opninion that islam conttradicts the law of god. Look for me i cant understand that you believe in a human as a god. A human cries, dies, has hunger wants to drink, has lusts, do you consider that a god? think about it? and why does god need to kill himself for us? he is almighty and the most high if he wats to forgive he forgives us and doesnt need to spill blood for it. It is only your fabrication that you made god to a human.