Phylogeny Challenge

This is the ultimate challenge to be answered by anyone hoping to promote creationism; the identification of "created kinds"? Any intrepid creationist who attempts to meet this challenge will instead discover a truth which John Muir once described thus: "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe."

Included in this video is one cladogram everyone asks about but few can find. So here it is:
http://www.bork.embl.de/tree_of_life/

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• systematic
• taxonomy
• phylogeny
• phylogenetic
• chart
• clades
• cladistic
• evolution
• tree
• cladogram
• classification
• falsifying+phylogeny

[MumblingMickey]

erm... no aron there isn't really a publicly accessible tree of phylogeny.

However as you said yourself there should be. With more than you have in your video... maybe each species with a link to its downloadable genetic sequence? To books and articles on the species and to studies of it.

It would also highlight to those setting out on a degree course where there are gaps in our understanding they might find interesting for a thesis.

What if it were a wiki tree? filed in by everyone?

[AronRa]

@MumblingMickey I don't want it to be an open wiki, but I do want direct submissions and suggested corrections from the scientific community, from paleontologists, zoologists, embryologists, geneticists, and so on. It must be peer-reviewed. 

[baxtar2012]

AronRa you are one smart dude. You produce some of the best videos I have ever seen. You were also instrumental in making me realize that what I've always felt subconsciously that religion was a crock of shit was a fact. We are merely animals with large brains evolved but still have a long way to go I think based on the massive amount of stupidity still out there. Thanks for doing your part and educating us.

[Soldier957]

check out EOL,org The encyclopedia of life.

[AjnaKotobide]

@AronRa

Could we start a wiki with two 'types' of page? Those that have been reviewed and those that are public contributions. As long as it was obvious from the format and presentation of the content whether you were viewing a public page or peer-reviewed work, we could build the wiki through contributed submissions so that a wiki can be up to date. Peer reviewed entries would not be modifiable by 'public' users so there would be little or no sabotage.

[MumblingMickey]

@MumblingMickey ". that would stop them believing there was though...."

should read

". that wouldn't stop them believing there was though...."

[MumblingMickey]

@IoEstasCedonta Well if thats true its changed radically in a few years....

What study was this?... or did they just answer the question as you presented there... because even the Vaticans scientists would answer they didn't think 'it could be said' there was a god...if they were to answer from a perspective of evidence... that would stop them believing there was though....

[MumblingMickey]

@AronRa I can appreciate the issues involved in making such an app open to all...

You'd arrive in one day with unicorns and elves presented firmly in the new clade of 'mystery creatures' or something...

But thats easily sorted in that it can be submitted, but doesn't appear on the site until it achieves some sort of agreed status....

Sorry I'd forgotten a little about this... now you have me off thinking about it again...

[Erech01]

Hey, are you ever going to make anymore 'foundation falsehoods of creationism' vidoes? Or if you think you have covered them all are you thinking of making a new series?

[gussiejives]

A couple of days ago, I rewatched the video with Shawn "VenomfangX" on the Magic Sandwich Show where you challenged him on this Phylogeny Challenge regarding cats and how many were brought on the Ark and it was PAINFUL watching him attempting to dodge the question, then pulling a random number out of his rear end.

One of the links on the right is to you on the Atheist Experience talking about not being vitriolic because the faithful may change. This is true, but I doubt VFX can change.

[sij747]

Great video AronRa, it's very informative