RE: Masculinism sucks (or does it)

Just a few thoughts on the video I'm responding to. I really appreciated it. Just a few more items I didn't address in the video: When I say that I felt undervalued as a male when I was a kid, that's not to say that girls don't ever feel that way. I know many girls felt undervalued as kids, too, for different reasons. I think all children experience that, regardless of gender. Also, I'm not against the entire feminist movement, just the modern feminist movement. I admire classical feminists, like Susan B. Anthony, who would be appalled by the way modern feminists act. The MRA (men's rights) movement is more representative of classical feminism than modern feminism. Also, the iFeminists and the pro-life feminists (very small, very obscure groups) have good points to make, and they also oppose the modern feminist movement, while still addressing women's issues from their perspective. They also welcome the men's rights and father's rights groups, which is great.

I really don't like this whole battle of the sexes. I don't like how society tries to pit men against women and women against men. I don't like gender stereotypes or gender roles forced upon people. I don't like the fact that people are judged by what they were labeled from birth (male or female) instead of the person they are inside. Men need women, and women need men. God put both here for a reason.

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[bruthaflo]

I cant read all these paragraphs.

[thechadman1X]

its like the "what would you do" segment on abc news, where a man was beating a woman and practically everyone who walked by decided to help the girl because they viewed the guy as a psycho, where when the woman was beating the man people walked right by viewing the woman as justified, men are seen as being the cause of all problems and women are angels sent to maintain peace and love

[AndrewChan84]

@KadrickNinness But when a "form" sport requires pulling 8Gs and 3-dimentional maneuvers, maintaining sense of direction and aircraft control amidst all that harshness, as well as mastery of the machine itself, you'd still want to take it as a purely "form" sport. Men are also allowed express their "form" here, so it's the same vice versa. Talk about spatial and technical abilities... you're gonna throw that out and replace it with just "form"? hehe

Different form, same judge...

[KadrickNinness]

@AndrewChan84

I've run this hypothetical past MANY women.

There's one answer I've never seen ANY woman give.

[KadrickNinness]

@AndrewChan84

I could just as easily toss your own rationale back at you in this scenario, but it would be cheap and dismissive to do so. And like I said, I'm too preoccupied to address this substantially.

Scenario would be that "gymnastics and acrobatics" draws on a far more restrictive pool of male talent, because the social pressure opposing males doing such "girly" passtimes as gymnastics and ballet, is causal in it.

I could also remark that I have no familiarity with it.

[KadrickNinness]

@AndrewChan84

Yeah. There's room for improvements, and the improvements are gradually being made. Yep. ON BOTH SIDES.

I don't have time to address much of this right now.

The remark was arbitrary, and contextualized with "practically". Acrobatic sports are "form" sports, and as such, they are competing for mastery of their OWN form. No ability to run faster, further and generate more power.

The competition is within themselves, and then compared.

[AndrewChan84]

@KadrickNinness And to refute your earlier allegation that in just in every field of sports, there's a hundred or thousand or more guys that can perform better than any professional female. Now that I've remembered her name, Patty Wagstaff was the 3 year consecutive defender of the US National Acrobatic champion title. Where men and women compete in the same category. After her, women constitute 5 out of the top ten. During that 3 year, there was not a single man that could beat

[AndrewChan84]

@KadrickNinness You seem not to have read my statements properly and have taken it out of context. I never said they have been deprived of their opportunity, but rather still have plenty of room for further improvements. This ain't intergalactic age yet so don't act like we've already know what the ceiling is.

I never said the gap will vanish because I said both genders have their own respective advantages. There will be gaps in areas or else then there would be NO difference.

[KadrickNinness]

@AndrewChan84

Are you somehow inferring that female athletes are being deprived of the opportunity to maximize their performance output? And that as this tweaking ensues, the gender gap will close or vanish?

If so, I think that's a super theory. We'll call it the Sports Glass Ceiling.

[AndrewChan84]

As for expectations, the expectations from women will increase as women become more proficient in these currently male dominated activities and the gap reduced. Albeit with men and women still retaining their respective psychical advantages.

And I also believe, that as women become more involve in these activities, the understanding of the female physique will increase, together with the knowledge on how to tweak women physiology for certain sports.