Debate - Rabbi Meir Kahane vs. Prof. Alan Dershowitz, 1/4

Debate 1 Rabbi Meir Kahane vs. Prof. Dershowitz Part 1 of 4
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[refaelooooooo]

Rabbi meir rip was jewish fighter that fight against all the enemie of the jewish nation..

.''am israel hai''

[oc00011]

multiculturalism doesn't work in israel? you wouldn't have zionism without it. jews from russia, morocco, egypt, poland, ethiopia, yemen etc etc etc.. all contribute to israeli society and identity. the jewish nation has been revived. multiculturalism isn't without its problems e.g. russian drinking, & sadly now ethiopians being introduced to alcohol in the city - doesn't work well with them, nonetheless there's been many progressions, including both those ethnic examples. kahane's a fascist.

[oc00011]

yeh thanks i just get irritated by simplistic conclusions on multiculturalism like its either Good or Bad. as is said, there's no black and white, only shades of grey.

[Oranjee1089]

apart from your last statement, on the most part its interesting

[Rashid Gill]

State of Israel does not exist. Palestine is occupied by European military base, supported and funded by bankrupt Americans.

[oc00011]

i do research both sides, & i'm always open to hear views that oppose mine, with enthusiasm. so if u have any legitimate sources that prove ben gurion to have joined the irgun/lehi then please give the references&after analysing it, i'll respond.

i have sources that prove the opposite of your assertion of course.

you haven't addressed my source for kahanist terrorism.

there is no "atheistic philosophy" other than dialectics, skeptical inquiry, reason. much of jewish culture follows this pattern.

[DrAvrington]

That's a load of crap, from someone that has never researched both sides of the issue; only one. Just like dar Yassin where those under Gurion sided with the Irgun to take the town. After the town was taken the amoral socialist used the conflict and propagated factless mythology against Begin and the Irgun, same as with the King David Hotel and the Altalena. They only care about power that's it. I'd research both sides of an issue before throwing in your chips...

[DrAvrington]

You are entirely wrong! They were Socialists and Communists that believe in everything opposite to Judaism if one bothers to take the time to read their own works, from both sides. For example everything advocated within the teachings of Judaism is abolished or contorted by Socialism due to its Atheistic contempt for religion and religious teachings. Faith based thought is not the problem but Atheistic philosophy and philosophers and their useful idiot followers are...

[oc00011]

ben gurion only organised counter attacks specifically targeting those who were trying to kill us. that was self defence. ben gurion also emphasised to the jews that we were forbidden to take land from local arabs, & that we can offer to buy their land only if they were planning to re-locate.

the jewish telegraphic agency also confirm that kahane supported&promoted terrorist violent acts on any arabs indiscriminately. google search: "JTA reactions to rocket attack on arab bus 1984", 1st link.

[DrAvrington]

Kahane knew what Islam was and that there can never be peace especially with the Jew because Islam cannot and does not allow for it, only "submission". What is Jewish about secularism? Kahane did not promote violent attacks that killed Arabs. In fact he condemned them if you look at his own words from his own interviews and lectures. When BenGurion did it he's held as a hero while Kahane is a "racist"...

[oc00011]

kahane ignored the potential of changing values & changing definitions of identity in the context of arabs. he ignored that there is a minority among arab israeli population who do share our values and, if they are encouraged by us, can help to result in a fully functioning democratic, pluralist, secular zionist jewish state. kahane promoted violent attacks that killed arabs indiscriminately. this is why i view him as a dangerous immoral extremist.