Celibidache Rehearses Bruckner's Ninth
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@liebe0zur0musik In the hands of a genius even 5 year olds will make a decent take on smth lighter of course, but that's a character of great knowledge and sensitivity, so compelling..
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@muslit Speaking from a similar point of view (though with far less experience) I have to agree with you. It's indisputable that Celi was a great musician, but his aloof and "strangling" approach, and his fairly frequent disregard for the score made for a lot of gloomy and uncomfortable results.
One thing is certain: he was good at creating a personal mythology!
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@muslit True he hold an absolute control over the piece but in the other hand I believe he explored much different harmonical universes in them !
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真是一個經典的錄影, 他指揮布氏的第九比gunter wand 還要精彩
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"Du bist über dem Orchester; um Gottes Willen."
Oh ja, es gibt kaum was schlimmeres als zu laute Pauken.
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After reading some very good comments posted here, I have a question. For many reasons, Bruckner is a sphinx. Yes, Celi had a real symbiosis with this composer. But, when I'm searching for "Bruckner truth" I find it MORE in Jochum, in Kabasta, in Bohm's Fourth, in Furtwängler wartime Fitth, in Giulini's Eight... Any opinion? I'm totally mad?
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Poor Münchner Philharmoniker.
From Celibidache heaven to Levine purgatorio and Thielemann hell.
but "Wer der Grund seines Unglücks ist, beweine sich selbst".
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@rattupenigu proprio tanto!
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Celibidache's Bruckner recordings with the MPO are peerless, despite the conductor's disdain of recordings!
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An orchestra player for 50 years, and an observer (I have a number of VHS tabes of Celebidache), I have come to the opposite opinion of many here: that Celebidache drains every ounce of spontaneity from a performance, especially after watching him in rehearsal. I could only help thinking of what Furtwangler said in the 30's, lamenting that too much rehearsal time was allotted to a final performance, robbing it freshness and vibrancy.
The Munich Philharmonic was the best orchestra in the world, during Celibidache's period!
liebe0zur0musik 4 years ago 21
Ci manchi.
rattupenigu 4 years ago 10