Drawing, Burning, and Speaking

My favorite "Have You Seen This Man" video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gce4bM0k0GQ

My favorite "Draw Muhammad" video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ja_4neDpiY

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[Pineconevolved]

@GrapplingIgnorance Anyone would think you are trying to change my mind or something, hahaha. Well, which ever one of the many paths one could take, it shouldn't be taken lightly. You have chosen your way carefully and for all the right reasons ( I agree), I take my choice for the right reasons too. Take into account that not every one will do what they do for the right reasons, including your way (not just 'mine'). I'm actually not going to take part in the event, just sharing my sentiment.

[TheObermiller]

@GrapplingIgnorance Draw Mohamed day is more than trying to offend Muslims or trying to get them to grow a sense of humor. It is about showing them that their laws are not to be enforced on the rest of the world. We can draw whatever we want be it Mohamed or snoopy. Look at the riots that were in Europe over the drawings. They try to enforce their sharia bullshit through fear. If people draw their prophet every day Will they riot everyday? No the would notice how fucking pointless it is to riot.

[5055672439]

What I find the most funny is the total irony comparing all this back to the catholic religion.

[oliethefolie]

@MyGrammarRules Remember those Dutch cartoons? Embassies were burned down, lots of people were killed, all because over-sensitive people were offended. If there is a de-centralised movement over the internet they can't do anything and will learn just to get on with their lives.

[MyGrammarRules]

@oliethefolie Careful; I said "offered" not "forced." You have some fair points, but I'm not convinced that people are doing this "in the name of free speech." I want to say that people do it just to be dickheads. I'm sure that the people who do it tell themselves that they are just trying to make a difference, though. However, this accomplishes nothing except making people angry. The point of free speech is not to say, "HaHa, look what I can do with my free speech!"

[oliethefolie]

@MyGrammarRules Yes it is. "Make no graven images" means "don't draw me".

Also, the bacon analogy is worthless as forcing someone to eat something against their will is disgusting. Posting something on the internet in the name of free speech is fine.

Note again, you never see a Christian mob every time someone says "Oh God" on TV even that is one of the ten commandments.

[MyGrammarRules]

@oliethefolie Drawing God isn't against the rules of Judaism. I think Jews might get offended if you tried to feed them bacon, though. What the hell? It's just bacon. What could possibly be offensive about that? Religion has loads of asinine rules and things about which to get offended. Still, I don't really see the point of intentionally provoking them just because I can. I tend to agree with GI on this one.

[oliethefolie]

@GrapplingIgnorance While I see your point of view. The main point is that a picture of Mohammed shouldn't be offensive. No Jews get pissy when you draw God, no Christians get annoyed when you draw Jesus, so why should there be a special exception for Islam?

When you talk about the mature position, while I agree that DMD is too mature and just funny, there are some people who can't be reasoned with through normal methods.

[GrapplingIgnorance]

@oliethefolie That is correct, but as I said in the video, it is the responsibility of the person who takes a more mature and rational position to take the high road in the course of action, not to justify a wrong with another wrong and expecting progress. I hope that clarifies my position on the matter.

[oliethefolie]

@GrapplingIgnorance I agree. I do not have a problem telling me I'm going to Hell, I know it's just a scare tactic. The thing I hat is the hypocrisy. They can offend who they like but as soon as anyone offends them (in this case, a way which no one else would find offensive) they threaten someone. For example, Holly Norris, the indirect founder of DMD, has had to go into hiding because of fear of extremists trying to kill her like Theo Van Gogh.

[GrapplingIgnorance]

@oliethefolie That's the point. You ARE allowed to be deliberately offesnive, and so is he. You're both ALLOWED to say or draw burn whatever you want (inside the limits of arson & property laws irrelevant to free speech). So campaigning for the right to do something you already have the right to do is meaningless. The question becomes, SHOULD you? Just because he can tell you you're going to hell, should he? Just because you can draw a picture you know will offend him, should you?